Hong Kong....Occupy Central Demonstrations....

Engineer said:

I think you meant Britain's agreement with China, and yes, your interpretation is correct.

Chapter I, Section 45 of Basic Law states:


Note in the first paragraph, whomever elected as the chief executive must be officially appointed by the Central Government, giving China the last say in the matter. Also in the second paragraph, you can see the nomination process is written into the constitution, and can't just be dispensed with.

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yup, yet another reason why CCP is not giving in for an early compromise, word for word it actually has the basic law on its side.

Doombreed said:

With all these talks about democracy and elections, I think the most fundamental issue has been ignored. Hong Konger are not Chinese. They don't want to be Chinese and never will be Chinese. Sure, they're ethincally Chinese. But Singapore is 74% ethnic Chinese. What's your point? Full democracy in Hong Kong will not solve this fundamental issue. Secession and Independance is.

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Then they should get out of Chinese territory. They should stop stealing Chinese culture and calling it their own. It's not an identity when all you do is point out what's different when hypocritically they do them too. Chinese tourist bad behavior stereotypes started with Hong Kongers and Taiwanese. Mainland Chinese tourist only recently started to travel overseas. Those stereotypes have been around for decades.

major Czech and Polish news-servers this evening are telling me those protests are the biggest threat to the Chinese System (you know what I mean) since 1989 ... should I believe it?

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Jura said:

major Czech and Polish news-servers this evening are telling me those protests are the biggest threat to the Chinese System (you know what I mean) since 1989 ... should I believe it?

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Like the Czech and Polish know... Never seen a Czech nor Polish story. I thought the media said Beijing was putting the Great Firewall of China to stop any stories of Hong Kong from getting to the Chinese. How did these people arrested know?

The New York Times... Lied about WMDs in Iraq...

Engineer said:

Of course you don't. Neither do you care about rationality. In the end, it becomes a matter of pride and oppose for the sake of opposing. By the way, people who post pictures and videos of the good side of protesters are committing a fallacy known as

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So, when one strips away all the fallacies from the arguments presented by the current movement, there is nothing left to support their cause. Not even legality stands on their side.

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you just committed fallacy of generalization. I don't care how what you're saying about semantic fallacies when I'm trying to advise him to be careful = I don't care about rationality?

that's great logic too, coming from someone so good with fallacies.

and so people posting pictures of people doing good is committing a fallacy? I feel sorry for you. you're assuming, so that's another fallacy of its own. it's even sadder you're trying to use this as a weapon to poke others.

so much for your attempts at playing with fallacies and inductive thinking. you failed terribly. I could be just sharing what I see on Facebook, which is what I'm doing, but all you see is from a negative attitude or some fallacious assumptions. stereotype is also bad, just so you know.

you committed so much fallacies in assuming people, please look at yourself in the mirror.

when you don't understand, which you don't, be humble and drop that condemning attitude.
I was trying to express something about credibility of GR and you go look for semantic faults, which is your trademark characteristic in this forum. you're wasting my time.

AssassinsMace said:

... Never seen a Czech nor Polish story.

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it's good for you LOL

AssassinsMace said:

Then they should get out of Chinese territory. They should stop stealing Chinese culture and calling it their own. It's not an identity when all you do is point out what's different when hypocritically they do them too. Chinese tourist bad behavior stereotypes started with Hong Kongers and Taiwanese. Mainland Chinese tourist only recently started to travel overseas. Those stereotypes have been around for decades.

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only bigots tell people to leave like that.

airsuperiority said:

only bigots tell people to leave like that.

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You mean like the story I read a couple years ago where Hong Kongers were telling the world to discriminate and turn away Chinese tourists? How about telling them to stop selling luxury products because it cheapens the brand name when Chinese buy them. Yeah like everyone in the world can tell the difference from someone from Hong Kong and the Mainland. Or how about Sugar Ray Leonard's experience in Hong Kong during the height of his career? He was in the elevator when the hotel intercom system came on warning everyone that there was monkey on the loose in the elevator. Pretty hypocritical to call anyone a bigot.

AssassinsMace said:

Then they should get out of Chinese territory. They should stop stealing Chinese culture and calling it their own. It's not an identity when all you do is point out what's different when hypocritically they do them too. Chinese tourist bad behavior stereotypes started with Hong Kongers and Taiwanese. Mainland Chinese tourist only recently started to travel overseas. Those stereotypes have been around for decades.

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No, no, no...The cultural differences go far deeper than that. There's a lot of Chinese culture in Japanese/Korean culture too. You don't claim those too do you? The main point of contention, if I may put it bluntly, is that no one wants to go from a British colony to a Chinese colony.

I like to compare Hong Kong with Singapore. There's a lot of similarities. Hong Kong would thrive as another Singapore.

Of cause, as Kissinger rightfully points out, Idealism needs to be tempered with a healthy dose of Realism.

Doombreed said:

No, no, no...The cultural differences go far deeper than that. There's a lot of Chinese culture in Japanese/Korean culture too. You don't claim those too do you? The main point of contention, if I may put it bluntly, is that no one wants to go from a British colony to a Chinese colony.

I like to compare Hong Kong with Singapore. There's a lot of similarities. Hong Kong would thrive as another Singapore.

Of cause, as Kissinger rightfully points out, Idealism needs to be tempered with a healthy dose of Realism.

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I didn't say that. Their only form of identity is to point out the differences. And those difference they hypocritically do themselves. So they have no identity of their own by their own logic.