AssassinsMace
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Not when printing out money like you say...
Germany Carl Zeiss, heart of Dutch ASML Lithography Equipment.
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Not when printing out money like you say...
12 billion dollars to set up a fab in Arizona to produce 20 thousand chips with production only beginning in 2024......
Where have I heard of something like that before...
The media is hyping up this project as some sort of game changer and ultimate trump card that could be used to leverage China...
This is no different than that Foxconn Wisconsin mega factory that was supposed to be finished this year that could employ 13,000 workers only before finding it could employ a fraction of that amount.
Also, if I should follow the logic of "Giving Taiwan independence for TSMC and China could have been much better off", then I would say India should hand over all the Muslim majority regions to Pakistan so that India wouldn't had so much terrorist attacks and go to war with Pakistan. Pakistan would be friends with India and India would be much richer today and and have improved trade with Pakistan and not waste so much on defense spending, leaving more money to invest in its economy.
I can take the logic even further and say that:
Once India sees the importance of peace and prosperity by handing over territory to other countries, it will continue further and hand over Tamil Nadu to Sri Lanka, give Sikkim and Goa independence, return South Tibet to China. India would be friends with all its neighbors and it will never have any enemies, it's economy could had reached China's level had it done that.
Ultimately, China is making strides in tech, do not underestimate it's ability for scientific breakthrough. It will be the third nation to have a fully functioning space station in space and send landers to Mars soon. 7nm chips for China is a piece of cake.
Ive said my mind on this, Im rooting for China, we are on the same team brother, but EUV is 10 times more difficult than the H bomb or rockets or anything else China has ever done before. If it was easy Huawei would have done it already. Like Tidal said months ago, EUV is in the realm of the quantum; atomic research, space station, all that was realm of the macro. China has never done anything like this before and its already off to late start due to complacency and naively trusting Americans not to stab in back at critical moment of its tech development... it cant turn to anyone to jumpstart its progress this time unlike space, nukes, infrastructure, jets, high speed train etc
This is 100x more difficult than landing on moon... proof? American landed on moon half century ago,yet even today the US cannot do 7nm
manqiangrexue
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China has no "team members" who tolerate ROC independence.
What does that even mean? Difficulty is not quantifiable. I heard before that jet engines are the most difficult technology in the world; now that China as it, it becomes EUV? I understand it's quite a difficult technology but where did you get this information from that it's "10 times" more? Looks like you got scared by a fake expert...
What luck! China has the only quantum satellite in the world and is already at the forefront of quantum computing. Looks like we have our feet wet, eh?
Chill out; you're jumpy as hell. Like I said, have some reserve. With the largest population by far of STEM graduates with nearly unlimited research funds, when has China ever not come through before? And also, just because EUV is ASML's solution to lithography, doesn't mean it's the only way or that it has to be China's. There could be far more ways to skin a cat and in the universe of physics, there is almost certainly are!
I just saw this cus you edited it after I responded. Who do you think you are and what solutions did you want to bring? Same thing I said to tidalwave; did you have blueprints/patents/prototypes to offer? You advice is totally unusable if there are no technical specifics for achievement. 3nm??? What are you smoking right now? If you can bring 3nm tech to China, do it; if not, just shut up with your fantasies!
Why do we have so many nutcases here who think they know better than all the experts advising presidents? You guys are nobody with nobody ideas, or you wouldn't be angrily giving them for free here!
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antiterror13
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well, when you said "Changchun Institute & SMEE have been working on these aspects while much of the world have moved on to EUV development."
Who are much of the world? ... only ASML that have EUV
You sound like a foreigner who is upset that China is making progress in Lithography. Whatever the specifications of the new DUV Lithography machine, it has the capability to produce Chips at the 7nm node and it will be available in December. SMEE will continue to improve its DUV machines as it is their main business. Unless of course it decides to start producing EUV machines one day.
antiterror13
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Just stop for all your nonsense ... people get sick of it
DUV is slowly being replaced by EUV in Top FABs around the world. In China it will prevail as its is a lower cost machine compared to EUV which makes it cost effective in local Chip production. SMEE will continue to make improved DUV models in the future.
antiterror13
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you bet
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And what is it?
@tidalwave was banned who was among few people with knowledge of the semiconductor sector which contributed to this thread, and because of troll baiting by @manqiangrexue who didn't even get a warning.
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And what is it?
@tidalwave was banned who was among few people with knowledge of the semiconductor sector which contributed to this thread, and because of troll baiting by @manqiangrexue who didn't even get a warning.
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