Fourth Taiwan Strait Crisis

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vincent

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?? Where did it say anything about anti radiation radar? Can you copy the part that mentions it?
Can you post the paragraph from the article? Because word searching “anti, radiation, or radar” shows nothing. I even skimmed through it and I can’t find any mentions of those 3 specific words.
I read the Chinese original
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而是可以灵活运动包括运-8和 运-9 电子对抗机、歼-16D电子战飞机,电抗无人机等空中平台,配合其他陆基、海基高信息化电子作战装备对第一岛链美军设施进行区域性的封锁和压制,并在压制区域前沿,利用电磁干扰、反辐射雷达照射等方式迫使在日美军或日本自卫队各类雷达及侦察设备停工或关机

如若中方正如兰德公司早年描述的那样采用区域拒止战法,其正常的作战流程应当是依托两个航母作战群,在第一岛链建立绝对控制,同时利用电磁干扰及反辐射雷达照射等手段,逼迫在第一岛链实施监控的日军关机
 

MortyandRick

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I read the Chinese original
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而是可以灵活运动包括运-8和 运-9 电子对抗机、歼-16D电子战飞机,电抗无人机等空中平台,配合其他陆基、海基高信息化电子作战装备对第一岛链美军设施进行区域性的封锁和压制,并在压制区域前沿,利用电磁干扰、反辐射雷达照射等方式迫使在日美军或日本自卫队各类雷达及侦察设备停工或关机

如若中方正如兰德公司早年描述的那样采用区域拒止战法,其正常的作战流程应当是依托两个航母作战群,在第一岛链建立绝对控制,同时利用电磁干扰及反辐射雷达照射等手段,逼迫在第一岛链实施监控的日军关机
I see. The English version didn't mention it. I suspect the writer meant ARM.
 

reservior dogs

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There was a time when the balance of power favors the U.S. where war gaming was useful in providing true information about the relative capability of China versus U.S. Recently, the war games, at least the ones that are published, have become nothing more than propaganda. For example, if in a war game, the U.S. loss over 900 aircrafts to the Chinese, you have ask how many sorties are being flown in the simulation? Even if every sortie resulted in the loss of the plane, you are still talking about over 900 sorties. Wouldn't the Chinese side disable the few limited airports that are useful in launching these planes? Once the surface fleet of the U.S. is repelled from the first island chain, and many of these islands have their forces destroyed, wouldn't it make sense for the Chinese to occupy these islands? After all, they are closer to Chinese coast than they are to the main islands of Japan.

The Chinese do not want to invade Taiwan for the following reasons,

1. Taiwan, being in the camp of the U.S., provides China with access to Western tech and market that it otherwise would not be able to provide.

2. Their main goal is the rise of China. Taking Taiwan prematurely interfere with this goal due to sanctions and other consequences.

3. Taiwan, going forward is as much an instrument for the Chinese to constrain the U.S. as it is for the U.S. to constrain China. As time goes on, the leverage for the Chinese grows and the leverage for the U.S. shrinks. Why would the Chinese lose this leverage early?

4. Without some degree of constrain on the U.S., if the invasion happens, I can see the U.S. bombing TSMC using our subs to destroy a big part of the value for the Chinese. The Chinese need to consider if there is a way for them to defend against this type of attack. A deal with the U.S. to take Taiwan might work out better. As the U.S. teeters on so many issues of our own making, there might be an opportunity to do such a deal.

Unable to take the island militarily, even against the U.S. is not part of the equation.
 

MortyandRick

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No, he wanted to use EW only to disable American bases on Japanese soil so Japanese doesn’t have an excuse to participate in the war. He obviously doesn’t know much about military equipment.
I still think he meant anti radiation radar seeker. And his criticism of the CSIS games are appropriate.

That's how some Chinese papers label it.

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vincent

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I still think he meant anti radiation radar seeker. And his criticism of the CSIS games are appropriate.

That's how some Chinese papers label it.

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That paper talks about anti-radiation missile guidance system. Those systems are passive, they don’t emit radiation. The target only knows about them when the targeted radar detects the incoming missiles.

When the Hegemon decides to intervene, its vassals will be dragged into it. Planning against that is utterly delusional
 

Petrolicious88

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The CSIS games involved several Pentagon officials and retired military officers, in addition to researchers from RAND and others. No idea how accurate the games are as they made some significant assumptions, and war-games need to be narrowly defined in order to be manageable.

But its hard to imagine they didn't factor in the full gamut of PLA capabilities including, EW, cyberattacks, ASAT, hypersonic missiles, etc..
 
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horse

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--A preemptive strike on US forces in Japan, Korea, PH, Diego Garcia, etc... is highly unlikely unless PLA believes it has achieved overwhelming superiority against US forces. That hasn't happened yet, and likely won't happen until 2050 (based on China's own calculations). Even if that is achieved, then why would there be a need for preemptive strike?!

There is absolutely no need for a preemptive strike.

For mainland China to launch a successful invasion of Taiwan, troops must be landed, and in order to do that, they have to land on the beach, or have paratroopers dropped in behind enemy lines, or capture a port, or capture an airfield. To do any of that, the PLAAF must establish an air corridor where they have absolute air supremacy.

Have these recent exercises established the fact that the PLAAF can impose a total air supremacy in areas around Taiwan? Sure looks like it.

To break this control in the air, someone must take out PLAAF planes and airfields. Taiwan won't do it. If the Americans try, then their bases will belong to us when the hypersonic missiles and other missiles target the two closest bases in Japan, (if Japan allows the Americans to use it in a war against China), and American carriers will be targeted too. No bases, no carriers, means no fun.

There is no point to the preemptive strike. Strike them sooner or later, the result will be the same. They die in numbers not seen since WW2.
 

Temstar

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I read the Chinese original
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而是可以灵活运动包括运-8和 运-9 电子对抗机、歼-16D电子战飞机,电抗无人机等空中平台,配合其他陆基、海基高信息化电子作战装备对第一岛链美军设施进行区域性的封锁和压制,并在压制区域前沿,利用电磁干扰、反辐射雷达照射等方式迫使在日美军或日本自卫队各类雷达及侦察设备停工或关机

如若中方正如兰德公司早年描述的那样采用区域拒止战法,其正常的作战流程应当是依托两个航母作战群,在第一岛链建立绝对控制,同时利用电磁干扰及反辐射雷达照射等手段,逼迫在第一岛链实施监控的日军关机
I remember hearing about this back when CD was still running. Basically to counter PAVE PAWS located in Taiwan PLA has erected somewhere on a mountain top in Fujian a big array of their own. Besides working as your regular early warning radar it was built with the intention of blinding the PAVE PAWS and when called for you flip a switch and the array will go into suppression mode and it would beam all of its energy directly at PAVE PAWS to completely white out their screen.

Not sure if it's urban legend or if anyone else heard solid anything about it. You see this get mentioned in passing in a lot of places in Chinese news about the PAVE PAWS, eg:

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在这一方面上,我军又一次依靠更为强大的综合国力使出了一个“流氓手段”,我军在福建沿海修建了一个比“铺路爪”雷达功率更大的固定雷达站。
在战时,只要台军的“铺路爪”敢开机,我军的大功率雷达便也会开机。并使用峰值功率集中照射“铺路爪”的天线阵面。
这样就会使台军“铺路爪”雷达的接收器被大功率杂波信号所阻塞,无法接收到目标回波,从而失去探测能力。
 

horse

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You know what I would do? Just for laughs, they should do this.

Everyone remember that time that China sent a mobile oil rig to an area right beside Vietnam? Then they started playing bumper boats on the high seas. That was hilarious!

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Why not do something similar here?

Why not just park about 10 super-container ships around some beaches or port around Taiwan? They won't do anything anyways. China is sailing and doing stuff around that area, uncontested.

If the status quo has changed ...

The Vietnamese came to contest and prevent that oil rig from drilling, but they did not have enough force, far from it. Taiwan contests nothing at this stage of the game. Not sure why that is the case.

If they contest nothing, just park those container ships a kilometer off the coast. Why not. They can even turn it into a tourist attraction!

Maybe they can plant that same oil rig there too?!

:D
 
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