Fourth Taiwan Strait Crisis

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sinophilia said:
Not sure about Taiwan but should work for Mongolia, their population is tiny and they are fairly poor. Offer each household $100,000 one time payment to agree to annexation. Number of households is ~1 million, one time cost of $100 billion (Chinese GDP is now >$20 trillion and Chinese net national worth is >$100 trillion). Will pay itself back very quickly anyway.
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(Outer) Mongolians have their national identity, and much of it is based on their hatred of Qing. It's not just Chinese that has national pride.
 
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sinophilia said:
Not sure about Taiwan but should work for Mongolia, their population is tiny and they are fairly poor. Offer each household $100,000 one time payment to agree to annexation. Number of households is ~1 million, one time cost of $100 billion (Chinese GDP is now >$20 trillion and Chinese net national worth is >$100 trillion). Will pay itself back very quickly anyway.
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Off topic, but China would not accept Mongolian accession even for free.

1. China would have to pour extensive resources and finances into developing Mongolia
2. Mongolians hate Chinese. Extensive manpower from the PAP would have to be poured into Mongolia to stifle dissent and violence
3. Anything China needs from Mongolia, it can simply buy. China already controls Mongolia economically (over 80% of Mongolia's trade is with China). If Mongolia refuses to sell, China will buy elsewhere
4. China would needlessly piss off Russia by swallowing a neutral buffer state
 
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5unrise said:
I don't think that works nearly as well. Most people would prefer the certainty of a large sum of money than the small chance of winning a gigantic amount. In economics and finance, we call that preference the risk premium.
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True, but it’s not certainty vs chance, but chance of winning vs zilch, right? Would it sway as much people? Probably not. But would it sway enough people? You betcha.
 
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dengyeye said:
Off topic, but China would not accept Mongolian accession even for free.

1. China would have to pour extensive resources and finances into developing Mongolia
2. Mongolians hate Chinese. Extensive manpower from the PAP would have to be poured into Mongolia to stifle dissent and violence
3. Anything China needs from Mongolia, it can simply buy. China already controls Mongolia economically (over 80% of Mongolia's trade is with China). If Mongolia refuses to sell, China will buy elsewhere
4. China would needlessly piss off Russia by swallowing a neutral buffer state
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They have a population equal to 0.2% of the Chinese population. They have the lowest population density in the world, and a massive country. It would restore most of the Qing territory back. The amount of investment 3 million people for basic support would be exceeded greatly by the immense resources and land that exist.

Lime said:
Actually the population of mongolians in inner mongolia(6M) is 2 times more than Mongolia(3M).

So which country can present the mongolians is an academic problem.
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There are more Mongolians in China than in the rest of the world combined (including of course Mongolia)
 
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sinophilia said:
They have a population equal to 0.2% of the Chinese population. They have the lowest population density in the world, and a massive country. It would restore most of the Qing territory back. The amount of investment 3 million people for basic support would be exceeded greatly by the immense resources and land that exist.



There are more Mongolians in China than in the rest of the world combined (including of course Mongolia)
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The main concern I would have with that move (by any means) would be the anxiety this would cause in Russia. This would signal a northern expansion path, which the PRC has pointedly dispelled up to this point.
 
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