Fourth Taiwan Strait Crisis

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BlackWindMnt

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It's so unbelievable coming from Trump! He is the most anti China dork!
This pretty much canceled his legacy of the China trade deal phase 1, he was probably going to run on a phase 2 deal platform and "acting" though on China. By telling his rural provinces voters he will sell so much corn and pork to China that US farmers will be rich beyond imagination.

Pelosi also took away a card from US foreign policy deck to play, might have been a extra pressure card trump could have used to get a better phase 2 deal.
 

chlosy

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Suggest China should do less warning, and act more.

Ditch the petro dollar. Hence forth, all oil and natural gas purchases will be paid in RMB or the exporting country's currency.

Freeze US Treasury purchases.

Minimize role of British banking.

Deeper freeze Australia
 

sndef888

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This episode will be a win for China IF they manage to change the status quo. To one where PLA ships can enter taiwan territorial waters without retaliation

Taiwan and the US are now "taking their win" and have no political appetite to resist militarily

If this situation is maintained, foreign delegations will mean nothing since China can simply openly enforce their sovereignty over the island by entering territorial waters after every visit
 

Bellum_Romanum

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They do really need to fix their PR...just look and at that statement, does that read like it's coming from a confident power or just full of huff blustering. They issue statements like it's coming out from historical C-dramas holy s..t

They should speak the language that's easy to understand and direct to the point. Remember, the message has 2 audiences the Taiwanese separatists and the separatists masters.
 

phrozenflame

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Well to be fair, it’s not like having the best PR in the world is helping the USA and it’s collapsing economy very much. PR is only useful until it simply isn’t. I mean look at the EU right now, it sure isn’t helping its energy security either. Only good diplomacy and a rational leader can help handle those things, both of which neither the US and the EU are capable of. So what if China has shit PR, at least they will still have a growing economy and have their energy secure and you can’t go wrong with that
PR is very much helping keeping massive protests against energy hikes in Europe. Done through fear-mongering and fighting the 'good fight', 'Russia eViL' is very much what is allowing them to take difficult economic decisions. If Ukraine were the bad guys and Russians were the good guys, you'd have massive protests in Western Europe and the support for war / sending equipment would sieze. So, PR plays a massive role.

US lost Afghanistan and Vietnam due to PR, not militarily. PR around these wars became toxic and created a political cost.

China does nothing to create political cost. Infact, it's so unpopular that bashing China gets you political points.

Fine, China's economy will catch up to USA in few years. How many decades before it catches up to US+EU+Japan+Australia+SK?

Alot of wishful thinking.

War is an extension of politics and PR is the core of politics. China is only focused on war.

Instead of accepting this weakness, you're just deflecting.
 

siegecrossbow

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They do really need to fix their PR...just look and at that statement, does that read like it's coming from a confident power or just full of huff blustering. They issue statements like it's coming out from historical C-dramas holy s..t

They should speak the language that's easy to understand and direct to the point. Remember, the message has 2 audiences the Taiwanese separatists and the separatists masters.

Reads like North Korean propaganda.

That said, imagine if they didn’t make known the nature of the threat and just used normal warnings through diplomatic channels. When the warnings have failed and they revealed that the exercise would lob missiles into “territorial waters” it would’ve been a major moral booster. Instead, they over promised through diplomatic and unofficial channels, doing the equivalent of promising a Ferrari but actually buying a Wuling Hongguang. Understandably people are pissed.
 

BlackWindMnt

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They do really need to fix their PR...just look and at that statement, does that read like it's coming from a confident power or just full of huff blustering. They issue statements like it's coming out from historical C-dramas holy s..t

They should speak the language that's easy to understand and direct to the point. Remember, the message has 2 audiences the Taiwanese separatists and the separatists masters.
The whole part of "in accordance with law" is unnecessary.

"China sanctions secessionist supporting entities" is shorter and more to the point
 

birdlikefood

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Here is one of my favorite, perhaps the favorite Chinese poster from whom I learned a great deal, talking about his analysis of the Taiwan situation

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Basically, he illustrated two models of operation that Chinese used to change the status quo. The Diaoyu island model and the South China Sea model.

In both models, The others initiated the change in the status quo. In the case of the Diaoyu island model, the Chinese response after the Japanese government bought the island from private hands was to mobilize public opinion, then over the years escalated until a new status quo was reached where the Chinese have de facto control over the Diaoyu island with their regular patrols and the Japanese were the ones backed off. In the South China Sea model, after the court at the Hague ruled that all the SCS islands do not belong to China, and the U.S. sent in our two carriers under commander Harry Harris, the Chinese escalated with a full military confrontation and the U.S. backed down.

In the current case with Taiwan, the Chinese were combining these two models. They make a lot of threats so if Nancy backs down, they would have succeeded using the SCS model. If Nancy was determined to go, they would switch over to the Diaoyu island model where the Chinese would escalate this, over many years until the Taiwanese military space is completely suppressed.

What the Chinese government did not count on were two things, first, the public, as do I, have changed our expectation of the Chinese government and assume that this would be a sort of SCS model where there would be a confrontation. Secondly, the response from the U.S. has been extremely weak. Many in the establishment were against the trip by Nancy. This further led the Chinese public to believe the Chinese government should go with the SCS model. The Chinese government did not think through the interaction of these factors, resulting in a very big lost of face through the event.
I am very shocked that someone here has reprinted the article by the author of "Persistently Low Entropy". I highly recommend his two articles "The Near Impossible Road to the Chinese Revolution" and "On the Legitimacy of Sustained Power of CCP." I found that people in our forum generally lack understanding of the history of the CCP, which will affect the basic judgment of the situation in major events.
 
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