F-35 Joint Strike Fighter News, Videos and pics Thread
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My Dutch newspaper had an editorial and two pages on F-35 today. Conclusion: we don't know what to do but buying F-35's, even as few as 56, will likely reduce funds available for needed investment for army and navy. The Dutch army has already ended its use of MBT's. The last Leopard2's can be bought by any approved country. Indonesia was not approved so that country is buying second hand German Leopard2's.
My Dutch newspaper had an editorial and two pages on F-35 today. Conclusion: we don't know what to do but buying F-35's, even as few as 56, will likely reduce funds available for needed investment for army and navy. The Dutch army has already ended its use of MBT's. The last Leopard2's can be bought by any approved country. Indonesia was not approved so that country is buying second hand German Leopard2's.
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However, a recent Dutch government think-tank report stated that it would actually cost more to withdraw than to continue:
However, a recent Dutch government think-tank report stated that it would actually cost more to withdraw than to continue:
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That just show you how smart the Americans are, they give a really good pitch from the start, even offer to make you a stakeholder so it ties you down. Then the project double in price, if you abandon it, all your investment are lost, if you still buy it, it will cost you an arm and a leg.
That just show you how smart the Americans are, they give a really good pitch from the start, even offer to make you a stakeholder so it ties you down. Then the project double in price, if you abandon it, all your investment are lost, if you still buy it, it will cost you an arm and a leg.
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Thank you for the kind words and compliments my brother, we had to do that to pay for bro Os healthcare plan, and just for your kindness, we will send you some more foreign aid, how much do you need? AFB Oh wait, why don't you sneak into our country and we will just sign you up for Social Security, that will save you a bunch of trouble, oh shoot, we gonna have to raise the price on our stinking little airplane some mo! Wifey got you in the dog house, cause you sure are cranky tonight?
Thank you for the kind words and compliments my brother, we had to do that to pay for bro Os healthcare plan, and just for your kindness, we will send you some more foreign aid, how much do you need? AFB Oh wait, why don't you sneak into our country and we will just sign you up for Social Security, that will save you a bunch of trouble, oh shoot, we gonna have to raise the price on our stinking little airplane some mo! Wifey got you in the dog house, cause you sure are cranky tonight?
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The paper was writing about this report. What do you think: will we buy the aircraft and abolish the army or the navy? We wouldn't be able to keep both.
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Or they would send some representative to China, and get a closer look at F-60.
Or they would send some representative to China, and get a closer look at F-60.
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The Netherlands is good NATO member, so not an independent country.
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Personally i don't have a high regard for the F-35 and i don't have a high regard for the J-31 (F-60). They both share the same aerodynamic features that makes them balky and slow. With the F-35 we know that its stealth features are vulnerable for L and other lower band radars. Quite frankly i think both these planes should be cancelled and that China and America should focus their resources elsewhere like the J-20 or a improved F-22 but thats just my opinion.
As for the F-35 and Europe is concerned there is not only one scam going on there but there are two scams happening.
The first scam is of course the plane it self that doesn't perform as advertised and very few professionals in the aviation industry who's livelihood doesn't depend on this plane are highly critical of its performance.
The second scam is the business side of things. The way that the F-35 has been sold to America's JSF partners is that the F-35 will be a affordable plane that is beyond the capabilities of any potential rivals. And that if they invest and buy that plane that there will be jobs and technology transfers and a share in the future profits from the sales.
We know with the Sukhoi T-50 and the Chengdu J-20 that Russia and China are working on planes that is superior to the F-35 and share the aerodynamic features closer to the F-22 than the F-35. As for affordability the plane cost 195 million dollar a pop and thats just for the basic A version the carrier capable B and C versions will cost you between 200 to 240 million dollars a piece. The little work they get from Lockheed Martin in the production of the F-35 doesn't justify the investments they made and especially when they have to buy these planes at nearly 200 million dollars a piece. The technology transfers from Americans to Europeans are not forthcoming and is far less then was promised or presented. As for the profits with everyone scaling back on their orders for the F-35 including the US military you have to question just how much profits there is going to be and how much of that profit will be shared with the junior partners.
Personally i don't have a high regard for the F-35 and i don't have a high regard for the J-31 (F-60). They both share the same aerodynamic features that makes them balky and slow. With the F-35 we know that its stealth features are vulnerable for L and other lower band radars. Quite frankly i think both these planes should be cancelled and that China and America should focus their resources elsewhere like the J-20 or a improved F-22 but thats just my opinion.
As for the F-35 and Europe is concerned there is not only one scam going on there but there are two scams happening.
The first scam is of course the plane it self that doesn't perform as advertised and very few professionals in the aviation industry who's livelihood doesn't depend on this plane are highly critical of its performance.
The second scam is the business side of things. The way that the F-35 has been sold to America's JSF partners is that the F-35 will be a affordable plane that is beyond the capabilities of any potential rivals. And that if they invest and buy that plane that there will be jobs and technology transfers and a share in the future profits from the sales.
We know with the Sukhoi T-50 and the Chengdu J-20 that Russia and China are working on planes that is superior to the F-35 and share the aerodynamic features closer to the F-22 than the F-35. As for affordability the plane cost 195 million dollar a pop and thats just for the basic A version the carrier capable B and C versions will cost you between 200 to 240 million dollars a piece. The little work they get from Lockheed Martin in the production of the F-35 doesn't justify the investments they made and especially when they have to buy these planes at nearly 200 million dollars a piece. The technology transfers from Americans to Europeans are not forthcoming and is far less then was promised or presented. As for the profits with everyone scaling back on their orders for the F-35 including the US military you have to question just how much profits there is going to be and how much of that profit will be shared with the junior partners.
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First, I am not an F-35 lover, BUT pray tell which are those bad aerodynamic features? Hopefully your answer is better than the rest of your post, but I would state for the record that the F-35 is a known quantity, with all the concerns, it is still very likely a more potent weapons system than anything save the F-22, and its avionics and weapons systems outclass even the Raptor. As for the financial end of your post and Scam accusations, that is pure nonsense, IMHO?
First, I am not an F-35 lover, BUT pray tell which are those bad aerodynamic features? Hopefully your answer is better than the rest of your post, but I would state for the record that the F-35 is a known quantity, with all the concerns, it is still very likely a more potent weapons system than anything save the F-22, and its avionics and weapons systems outclass even the Raptor. As for the financial end of your post and Scam accusations, that is pure nonsense, IMHO?