F-35 Joint Strike Fighter News, Videos and pics Thread

[Air Force Brat]

re: F-35 Joint Strike Fighter Thread

Just because JSF have A2G ability, does not make it a pure ground attack striker like A-10 or Su-25 or Q-5. The role of those air craft is pure A2G, the best they can do is fire short range A2A missiles, while verses a jet fighter they don't stand a chance, they don't have the speed, the radar, the weapon.

No matter how you want to spin it, F-35 and A-10 are totally different fighters, sure F-35 can do some of what A-10 do, but at what A-10 excel at, F-35 won't even come close.

And what F-35 can do such as firing Aim-120, going supersonic, dog fight etc.. A-10 is not even close.

Just because both platform can do some of what each other can do, does not make them the same category.

And come on man.... coming from you.. "Air Force" Brat, you should be the last one to make such mistake. And just because F-35's visibility sucks does not mean it is offensive to you, facts are facts.

Yes, and since it is coming from the Air Force Brat, You should listen to your old pappy, the JSFs primary role is as a ground striker, it was anticipated to replace the A-10, NOT the F-22! Ground Attack aircraft place a priority on pilot protection by placing him Lower in the aircraft structure since at low altitude, small arms fire may be a significant factor. I do agree the vis isn't optimal for an A2A aircraft, but neither is the speed or agility. For a further comparison, check out the McDonald Douglas AV8b, similar cockpit planform and a similar aircraft role.

 

[jackliu]

re: F-35 Joint Strike Fighter Thread

Yes, and since it is coming from the Air Force Brat, You should listen to your old pappy, the JSFs primary role is as a ground striker, it was anticipated to replace the A-10, NOT the F-22! Ground Attack aircraft place a priority on pilot protection by placing him Lower in the aircraft structure since at low altitude, small arms fire may be a significant factor. I do agree the vis isn't optimal for an A2A aircraft, but neither is the speed or agility. For a further comparison, check out the McDonald Douglas AV8b, similar cockpit planform and a similar aircraft role.

Right... So I guess people that does not have F-22 would never use F-35 for air superiority role. They would only use it for attack ground target... because that is what it is designed for.

The AESA radar, the Aim-120 ability, the fighter like agility, the stealth etc... which A-10 does not have, are all totally NOT mean for fighting A2A battles.

 

[Air Force Brat]

re: F-35 Joint Strike Fighter Thread

Right... So I guess people that does not have F-22 would never use F-35 for air superiority role. They would only use it for attack ground target... because that is what it is designed for.

The AESA radar, the Aim-120 ability, the fighter like agility, the stealth etc... which A-10 does not have, are all totally NOT mean for fighting A2A battles.

I didn't say that, thats why they call it Joint[ for all our friends], Strike[intended for ground attack], Fighter[able to engage enemy combat aircraft in a single bound and emerge victorious----even though you can't see where you are going-----], happy now ACE! remember Joint Strike Fighter same as JSF. Just bear in mind that in the US air superiority is still being handled by the F-22 or ATF or Advanced Tactical Fighter. I really do appreciate what you are saying, and you are indeed quite right in your overall assessment, I'm just old and argumentative. Brat

 

[Air Force Brat]

re: F-35 Joint Strike Fighter Thread

I didn't say that, thats why they call it Joint[ for all our friends], Strike[intended for ground attack], Fighter[able to engage enemy combat aircraft in a single bound and emerge victorious----even though you can't see where you are going-----], happy now ACE! remember Joint Strike Fighter same as JSF. Just bear in mind that in the US air superiority is still being handled by the F-22 or ATF or Advanced Tactical Fighter. I really do appreciate what you are saying, and you are indeed quite right in your overall assessment, I'm just old and argumentative. Brat

and I should add, I don't make mistakes, I just change my mind====

 

[jackliu]

re: F-35 Joint Strike Fighter Thread

F-22 alone will not be enough to use for air superiority roles. There is only about 200 of them in service, and at any given time, a large number of that will not be in service due to maintenance and spare part replacement.

That means F-35 will be expected to be called upon to defend US airspace or gain air superiority in battles. After all, F-35 was originally meant to replace F-16 remember?

 

[Air Force Brat]

re: F-35 Joint Strike Fighter Thread

F-22 alone will not be enough to use for air superiority roles. There is only about 200 of them in service, and at any given time, a large number of that will not be in service due to maintenance and spare part replacement.

That means F-35 will be expected to be called upon to defend US airspace or gain air superiority in battles. After all, F-35 was originally meant to replace F-16 remember?

185 F-22s extant as of 7:48 am central standard time, and I will add since we're starting to sound like a couple of other posters, who both love to argue and at times become absurd, that the F-22 is the only known countermeasure against alien craft of the type found on battlestar galactica and starship troupers, the F-35 doesn't have a chance, and I know you will agree with me on that. I was just pointing out that the F-35 is not optimized for an A2A role. Capiche? Have a great day little bro, and unlike those other two, I do like you man!

 

[navyreco]

re: F-35 Joint Strike Fighter Thread

First F-35A Weapon Release Test

An F-35A conventional takeoff and landing aircraft completed the first in-flight weapons release of an inert 2,000 pound GBU-31 BLU-109 Joint Direct Attack Munition (JDAM) from a 5th Generation fighter on Oct. 16, 2012.

[video=youtube;YaJeA8P67cY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=YaJeA8P67cY[/video]

 

[Air Force Brat]

re: F-35 Joint Strike Fighter Thread

That is AF-01 releasing a 2000 lbs JDAM at China Lake test center, a little different than all the top secret, did it, or didn't it actually happen. One of the reasons lots of us are often sceptical of the now ya see it, now ya don't smoke and mirrors is that slight of hand experts use those tricks, USAF says here it is, this is how it works, now ya really don't want to be our first "customer do ya?".

 

[Equation]

re: F-35 Joint Strike Fighter Thread

That is AF-01 releasing a 2000 lbs JDAM at China Lake test center, a little different than all the top secret, did it, or didn't it actually happen. One of the reasons lots of us are often sceptical of the now ya see it, now ya don't smoke and mirrors is that slight of hand experts use those tricks, USAF says here it is, this is how it works, now ya really don't want to be our first "customer do ya?".

If the F-35 has to carry one large bomb what's the max. payload on it (just curious)?

 

[Air Force Brat]

re: F-35 Joint Strike Fighter Thread

If the F-35 has to carry one large bomb what's the max. payload on it (just curious)?

The largest weapon the F-35 is slated to carry is the Storm Shadow cruise missle at around 2866 lbs, I believe it may carry two, but that is just conjecture on my part as I was unable to find a reference to that. I believe the max payload is 8200 lbs and have to place a question mark there as well since this is anecdotal info. I am sure one of our more technically aware posters will update this with more definitive info, as well I am thinking two 2000 lbs J-DAMs? Sorry, but this will motivate the bright lads and spur them to action.

A little further study indicates that the max load out internally and externally is 18,000 lbs as there are three pylons on each wing. No word on whether the F-35 will be upgraded to carry the 5,000 lb bomb, but that would likely be on the center pylon as well. AFB