F-35 Joint Strike Fighter News, Videos and pics Thread

re: F-35 Joint Strike Fighter Thread

this afternoon the grounding hit a major Czech server :) based on my experience with Czech and Polish "popular" articles describing military technology, I think the article is ... reasonable; regurgitates
Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!

and
Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!

and you may check the photo gallery it contains:
Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!

But I think I'll have things to explain tomorrow in the pub LOL
 

Air Force Brat

Brigadier
Super Moderator
re: F-35 Joint Strike Fighter Thread

this afternoon the grounding hit a major Czech server :) based on my experience with Czech and Polish "popular" articles describing military technology, I think the article is ... reasonable; regurgitates
Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!

and
Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!

and you may check the photo gallery it contains:
Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!

But I think I'll have things to explain tomorrow in the pub LOL

No doubt you will, but nothing like Desi telling "Luuuuucccyyy, you've got some splainin to do", first at Farnborough, then at each and every one of the partners little opposition party meetings where the real enemy's of the F-35 reside, and the US Senate and Congress??????? I think Obiwan had it right==== "a more wretched hive of scum and villainy, you'll never find".... The point is gentlemen, the F-35 has been delivered another right upper-cut and is once again, down for the count, she better get up in a hurry, because points are being taken and given to the opponents... or as from Top-Gun Charlie poinst out the F-14 here is totally "DEFENSIVE", and you see where that got us???????? but like Jeff always says, we'll have to "wait and see", but boy, wouldn't you hate to be LockMart right now?

I believe this will be a very good airplane, but to say this is no big deal is simply having your head "up and locked" as my old Daddy used to say???? Cheers gents, and sorry to slap you around a little Terran, but you are a big boy, and this here is the big league, we really need to "call em like we see em"...... no 5 run rule here. Heh! Heh! oh and have a nice icy sweet Tea on me, and send me the bill. AFB
 

Equation

Lieutenant General
re: F-35 Joint Strike Fighter Thread

No doubt you will, but nothing like Desi telling "Luuuuucccyyy, you've got some splainin to do", first at Farnborough, then at each and every one of the partners little opposition party meetings where the real enemy's of the F-35 reside, and the US Senate and Congress??????? I think Obiwan had it right==== "a more wretched hive of scum and villainy, you'll never find".... The point is gentlemen, the F-35 has been delivered another right upper-cut and is once again, down for the count, she better get up in a hurry, because points are being taken and given to the opponents... or as from Top-Gun Charlie poinst out the F-14 here is totally "DEFENSIVE", and you see where that got us???????? but like Jeff always says, we'll have to "wait and see", but boy, wouldn't you hate to be LockMart right now?

I believe this will be a very good airplane, but to say this is no big deal is simply having your head "up and locked" as my old Daddy used to say???? Cheers gents, and sorry to slap you around a little Terran, but you are a big boy, and this here is the big league, we really need to "call em like we see em"...... no 5 run rule here. Heh! Heh! oh and have a nice icy sweet Tea on me, and send me the bill. AFB

Look on the bright side Brat, IF Congress pull back some funding for the rest of the F-35 because they could use it to spend it on a ground attack version of the F-22(B) with an EOTS!:eek: Now wouldn't that be better?
 

Air Force Brat

Brigadier
Super Moderator
re: F-35 Joint Strike Fighter Thread

Look on the bright side Brat, IF Congress pull back some funding for the rest of the F-35 because they could use it to spend it on a ground attack version of the F-22(B) with an EOTS!:eek: Now wouldn't that be better?

I really do not want to see the F-35 fail, I do want to see the aircraft given the attention and expertise it needs to succeed, LockMart is between the Rock and the Hard place right now, and they do take pride in what they do, but they need leadership, principled, strong, leadership..... and the F-35 needs the tender loving care of someone who is willing to give her their best, sorry TERRAN, I'm just very concerned at present, the last thing we want is for the F-35 to fail, and though I love and miss the RAPTOR, there is NO ONE in this present crowd who would save her either?????? I wish I were wrong, and I hope someone steps up and proves me wrong here....really I do.....brat
 

Jeff Head

General
Registered Member
re: F-35 Joint Strike Fighter Thread

An F-35 aircraft had an engine problem. It was identified as not being related to that specific aircraft, but to the engine itself in general.

As a result, all aircraft are grounded until they find out what the problem is. This is for safety reasons first.

This is also costly.

It will sow seeds of doubt in some minds.

It will give some ammunition to people who are looking for reasons to naysay the program anyway.

It will cause some potential, or even existing customers, who are budget strapped and who have political hurdles with the aircradt anyway to potentially lessen their support.

It will also cost time and money...the longer it goes, the more of each.

All of that, to one degree or another, is negative.

But as some have said, it is not abnormal on such a program. That's just the plain truth.

Even though it is not abnormal, and anyone who has been directly involved with such a large program know this, that does not mean it is not a big deal for as long as it lasts. It's both a normal occurrence, and a big deal.

But I will make the following predictions, and feel completely comfortable making them.

1) GE is going to find and resolve this issue fairly quickly. They have very bright people, and it is an absolutely critical program for the company.

2) The testing, flight programs, and continued preparations for IOC for the Marines, Air Force, and then Navy are going to pick right back up and continue making good progress as soon as the resolution is had.

3) Customers are going to continue with the program. They know the US and its suppliers, as well as suppliers from those partner nations, are wholly dedicated to this and will not let it fail in the least.

4) The F-35 will go into full production for all three aircraft.

5) The F-35 will end up being the most widely available, the most widely exported, and cheapest full production 5th generation aircraft available.

6) The F-35 will be, once all the doctrine taking advantage of its amazing capabilities are developed and put to use, will set the overall standard for effectiveness in both the attack and air defense role.

7) The F-35 will ultimately be known as the F-16 of its era.

Does this mean there will not be problems? Of course not. It will do these things in spite of the problems.

Does this mean it will not have some weaknesses that potential adversaries will seek to take advantage of? Of course not. Every weapons systems has advantages and vulnerabilities.

Just the same, I believe without doubt that time will prove these predictions correct.
 
Last edited:

TerraN_EmpirE

Tyrant King
re: F-35 Joint Strike Fighter Thread

I would add too this that development of a Alternate engine for the F35 option Will likely be pushed now. Perhaps the Resurrection of the F136
 

Equation

Lieutenant General
re: F-35 Joint Strike Fighter Thread

I would add too this that development of a Alternate engine for the F35 option Will likely be pushed now. Perhaps the Resurrection of the F136

I thought there were two version of the engine built supposedly by different companies?:confused: Anyway I wish they provide some kind of pics for us to look at and analyse and yes I know it's a highly sensitive information and such but some kind non classified image would give us a whole lot on the idea extent of the damage.
 

Equation

Lieutenant General
re: F-35 Joint Strike Fighter Thread

I really do not want to see the F-35 fail, I do want to see the aircraft given the attention and expertise it needs to succeed, LockMart is between the Rock and the Hard place right now, and they do take pride in what they do, but they need leadership, principled, strong, leadership..... and the F-35 needs the tender loving care of someone who is willing to give her their best, sorry TERRAN, I'm just very concerned at present, the last thing we want is for the F-35 to fail, and though I love and miss the RAPTOR, there is NO ONE in this present crowd who would save her either?????? I wish I were wrong, and I hope someone steps up and proves me wrong here....really I do.....brat

Do you think this has to do with Lockheed Martin letting go a number of their experienced engineers and expertise, especially the older guys that had decades of experiences under their belts?
 

TerraN_EmpirE

Tyrant King
re: F-35 Joint Strike Fighter Thread

I thought there were two version of the engine built supposedly by different companies?:confused: Anyway I wish they provide some kind of pics for us to look at and analyse and yes I know it's a highly sensitive information and such but some kind non classified image would give us a whole lot on the idea extent of the damage.

no. GE developed the F135 based on the F119 taken from the F22. That's the engine in the F35. The F136 was Rolls Royce based on lessons learned from the F120 tested in YF23. Originally intended the F35 would have been sold and the end user could then pick there favorite engine. Then however Congress and the Defense Secretary killed the F136 program arguing it was to save $$$. Which is stupidity as time and time again history shows competition drives down prices and it likely would have kept some buyers interest as the F136 would have been a Rolls Royce engine and with options for European contacts.
 
Top