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Turkey Orders F-35

The Defense Industry Executive Committee, the highest decision making body for Turkish Defense acquisition projects, met on 6 May 2014 and tasked the Turkish Undersecretary for Defense Industries, or SSM in Turkish, to order the country’s first two F-35A Lightning II multirole fighters. The aircraft will be delivered as part of Low-Rate Initial Production Lot 10. The SSM was also tasked to perform necessary activities for the establishment of a Final Assembly and Check-Out line and depot-level maintenance center for the F135 engine within Turkish local industry and Turkish Air Force structure. Turkey is one of the original F-35 consortium partners, joining the project in 1999. Current Turkish defense plans call for 100 F-35As.

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[Jeff Head]

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Turkey Orders F-35

The Defense Industry Executive Committee, the highest decision making body for Turkish Defense acquisition projects, met on 6 May 2014 and tasked the Turkish Undersecretary for Defense Industries, or SSM in Turkish, to order the country’s first two F-35A Lightning II multirole fighters. The aircraft will be delivered as part of Low-Rate Initial Production Lot 10. The SSM was also tasked to perform necessary activities for the establishment of a Final Assembly and Check-Out line and depot-level maintenance center for the F135 engine within Turkish local industry and Turkish Air Force structure. Turkey is one of the original F-35 consortium partners, joining the project in 1999. Current Turkish defense plans call for 100 F-35As.

All naysayers aside, many nations are making the call...and their own experts and evaluators understand all of the issues and are yet choosing the aircraft.

As I have said many times...the F-35 will be the west's next F-16, and it will be produced in huge numbers...particularly as a 5th generation aircraft.

And...man oh man...is Turkey moving forward all around with its military, or what? They are rapidly becoming the all around military leader (IMHO) in the Mid East. Impressive programs they have going all around.

 

[Jeff Head]

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Thought I would add this post of mine here from another thread. It related to one pster's comment and opinion that the F-35 was, in essence a waste, and that the US Military needed to learn some "bitter" lessons from it.

Well, IMHO, it may be that they learn some "tough" lessons...and that is expected when you are trying to advance the technology the way the F-35 is, and doing so across three services...but in the end it will be anything but "bitter."

The F-35, in its three forms, will be viewed in history as one of the most successful, most versatile, and most capable aircraft acquisitions in history.

It will become this generation's "F-16," and more.

It will be the most exported and used fifth generation aircraft in history, and it will perform extremely well over its life span.

I am willing to wager that there will not be another 5th generation fighter built that will be as overall dominant across the board, Air Forces, Navies, and Marines, as the F-35 will be, nor one that will be as produced...probably not another one that will have as many as 20% the numbers that the F-35 will have.

And those numbers, and that proliferation to so many nations, whose planners will choose the F-35 (and indeed, already are) will speak for itself...despite all of the naysaying.

 

[kwaigonegin]

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I actually like Jeff Head's argument about the F-35, where the big advantage of the F-35 is its vast scale. The J-20 will not likely exceed 400 units produced, the PAK-FA might go a bit higher, but for US air dominance between now and the emergence of 6th generation aircraft simply having a lot more stealth aircraft than your opponent might do the trick.

I agree.. In all seriousness unless something catastrophic happens to the US defense industry by the time a fighter type comes along to seriously pose a significant threat to the F35 a 6th generation plane would very likely be very close to IOC if not already deployed. The pakfa and j-20 are still at least 10 years away to be in any significant number to pose a serious threat to US air dominance and that's assuming a major war happens in that exact timeframe which is highly unlikely.

In a more realistic scenario by the time the j20 or pakfa is 'old' enough to go to the used market and potentially rogue nations the US would most likely have fielded 6th generation aircraft by then.

 

[TerraN_EmpirE]

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And or (adding to K's post) enhanced the F35 series to integrate sixth Gen features.

 

[Solaris]

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Thought I would add this post of mine here from another thread. It related to one pster's comment and opinion that the F-35 was, in essence a waste, and that the US Military needed to learn some "bitter" lessons from it.

Well, IMHO, it may be that they learn some "tough" lessons...and that is expected when you are trying to advance the technology the way the F-35 is, and doing so across three services...but in the end it will be anything but "bitter."

The F-35, in its three forms, will be viewed in history as one of the most successful, most versatile, and most capable aircraft acquisitions in history.

It will become this generation's "F-16," and more.

It will be the most exported and used fifth generation aircraft in history, and it will perform extremely well over its life span.

I am willing to wager that there will not be another 5th generation fighter built that will be as overall dominant across the board, Air Forces, Navies, and Marines, as the F-35 will be, nor one that will be as produced...probably not another one that will have as many as 20% the numbers that the F-35 will have.

And those numbers, and that proliferation to so many nations, whose planners will choose the F-35 (and indeed, already are) will speak for itself...despite all of the naysaying.

I'm pretty sure I said nothing of the kind. The F-35 is not a waste. CONCURRENCY was the waste.

 

[Air Force Brat]

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I'm pretty sure I said nothing of the kind. The F-35 is not a waste. CONCURRENCY was the waste.

Yes, you are correct Solaris, and we appreciate your posts, I agree with you honestly, but without the F-22, the ThunderHogge II becomes the next best thing. I am glad that we have 100 F-35s flying, and many are already operationally coded, I'm sure Jeff will catch this and correct his statement, but my apologies for him, he does strive to be accurate as I'm sure you do as well.

Thanks for clarifying your statement, and in general I do agree with your statement on concurrency. brat

 

[Jeff Head]

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I'm pretty sure I said nothing of the kind. The F-35 is not a waste. CONCURRENCY was the waste.

And I did not say that you said the F-35 was a waste.

What I said, and you bolded it, was that you indicated "in essence" it was a waste. You have (IMHO) punctuated that very sentiment with your latest post.

Concurrency is a part of the F-35 program. Plain and simple. And it is a major part. It is what is allowing the program to "move forward," as I indicated...and which I admitted they had to learn some hard lessons from that. But they would not be bitter.

So, IMHO, when saying concurrency is a waste, without which the entire program probably would have had a much harder time moving forward, and in today's climate, that may well have doomed the entire program...as I say, if that part of the program is a waste, then "in essence," the program is a waste.

Anyhow, we are arguing semantics now. Irrespective of all of that...I stand by my forecast for the program.

 

[Solaris]

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And I did not say that you said the F-35 was a waste.

What I said, and you bolded it, was that you indicated "in essence" it was a waste. You have (IMHO) punctuated that very sentiment with your latest post.

Concurrency is a part of the F-35 program. Plain and simple. And it is a major part. It is what is allowing the program to "move forward," as I indicated...and which I admitted they had to learn some hard lessons from that. But they would not be bitter.

So, IMHO, when saying concurrency is a waste, without which the entire program probably would have had a much harder time moving forward, and in today's climate, that may well have doomed the entire program...as I say, if that part of the program is a waste, then "in essence," the program is a waste.

Anyhow, we are arguing semantics now. Irrespective of all of that...I stand by my forecast for the program.

We are most definitely NOT arguing semantics, nor can you reasonably make any kind of case where I said that the F-35 was a waste, "essentially" or otherwise. You clearly did not initially parse my post closely and are now trying to avoid admitting that you did not do due diligence to it, and now have to bend over backwards to try and sell some kind of argument that questioning concurrency somehow equals questioning the F-35 itself. This is so logically tenuous that I really don't think I should have to rebut this at all.

 

[Miragedriver]

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The Australian government announced that it will buy 58 F35A JSF for 12.4 Billion AUD. In that is weapons spares and 1.6 The Australian government announced that it will buy 58 F35A JSF for 12.4 Billion AUD. In that is weapons spares and 1.6 Billion is new facility in Williamstown NSW and Tindal NT, IOC is expected to be around 2020 and FOC 2022 when the legacy Hornets will be retired.

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