F-35 Joint Strike Fighter News, Videos and pics Thread

Zahid

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I hope this is the right place for this:

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Its a few pages long, and would require an hour or so. But in my view it is well worth it.

The basic question being addressed is whether or not F-35 is in the interest of USAF. This is an alternative view and raises many well reasoned objections to F-35 and presents an alternative force structure that has only the F-35 units already built and not the 1700+ ones that are planned.

I am no expert and I would like to know the views of esteemed members who have been following this program better than me.
 

asif iqbal

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re: F-35 Joint Strike Fighter Thread

In anyway definitely at less 15 F-35B for the Cavour CAW it is the minimum.

Lockheed has said that by 2019 F35B will drop to $87 million a peice

But if you order now you agree the price on today's terms so Israel, Japan and South Korea pay the current list price but 3rd country further down the line will get them cheaper

Price is falling with time
 

Bernard

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Its a few pages long, and would require an hour or so. But in my view it is well worth it.

The basic question being addressed is whether or not F-35 is in the interest of USAF. This is an alternative view and raises many well reasoned objections to F-35 and presents an alternative force structure that has only the F-35 units already built and not the 1700+ ones that are planned.

I am no expert and I would like to know the views of esteemed members who have been following this program better than me.

But i have been thinking about posting a post under this thread about the F-35 for sometime now like this. I like to read alot of defence websites, and lately i have read nothing but negativity over the F-35.

The main thing i have been reading is that the F-35 is crap and will be an utter disapointment, only hurting us in future warfare, taking money away from other programs, can't do anything it was said to be able to do, and "it's too big to fail/ drop".

Is the F-35 worth it?
 
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Air Force Brat

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re: F-35 Joint Strike Fighter Thread

I hope this is the right place for this:

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Its a few pages long, and would require an hour or so. But in my view it is well worth it.

The basic question being addressed is whether or not F-35 is in the interest of USAF. This is an alternative view and raises many well reasoned objections to F-35 and presents an alternative force structure that has only the F-35 units already built and not the 1700+ ones that are planned.

I am no expert and I would like to know the views of esteemed members who have been following this program better than me.

Thank you for posting this well written and informative article Zahid, and yes this is the place to post it. In response to Col. Peitrucha's article, as the unfocused and loose cannon of Sino-Defense Forum, I would like to offer my well reasoned, arrogant, and bombastic, and veddy, veddy, British, "haaaarrruummmppppphhh! While Col Peitrucha's article is based on his years of experience as an F-4G Wild Weasle and F-15E Eagle driver, I respectfully and completely disagree with him. He is going back to the 80's scenario and of multiple engagements on multiple continents, with the ill founded desire for a Light Attack Aircraft that cost virtually nothing and delivers mostly as a counter-insurgency platform, against an adversary such as we have attempted to engage in a meaningful way for the last two decades, and ignoring the larger and far more dangerous threat posed by our cold war opponents. IMHO the only way to avoid an all out melt-down and being drawn into a war with our "good friends, the Russians and Chinese, is to up-grade our capabilities, and to "harden" our resolve to meet the threat being posed by both our friends. In often less than friendly comments by members of our friends MODs and Military, they reveal their true intentions, and the cold war animas that motivated our long term postering previously. The F-35 while a less than stellar A2A bird, will be most adequate and actually much better than that for that purpose, while arming our partners with a potent tool to defend themselves and provide their own deterance, while at the same time providing the Navy, Marines, and AirForce with an outstanding air to ground platform that can also fight its way home, and come back tomorrow for more fun. Yes it is complex, yes it is expensive, and yes it is necessary, and yes I would be far happier if we had an additional F-22s to cap off the top tier,,,,,,,, but thanks to BHO and Robert Gates, we don't......while most of us on the Sino Defense forum pray for peace, we must remain prepared for the eventuality....much better to be prepared, and avoid the unpleasantries, than to be unprepared and face the certainty that their are many who love a power vacuum.
 

Air Force Brat

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re: F-35 Joint Strike Fighter Thread

But i have been thinking about posting a post under this thread about the F-35 for sometime now like this. I like to read alot of defence websites, and lately i have read nothing but negativity over the F-35.

The main thing i have been reading is that the F-35 is crap and will be an utter disapointment, only hurting us in future warfare, taking money away from other programs, can't do anything it was said to be able to do, and "it's too big to fail/ drop".

Is the F-35 worth it?

Yes, yes it is!
 

Jeff Head

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re: F-35 Joint Strike Fighter Thread

But i have been thinking about posting a post under this thread about the F-35 for sometime now like this. I like to read alot of defence websites, and lately i have read nothing but negativity over the F-35.

The main thing i have been reading is that the F-35 is crap and will be an utter disapointment, only hurting us in future warfare, taking money away from other programs, can't do anything it was said to be able to do, and "it's too big to fail/ drop".

Is the F-35 worth it?
Yes...more than worth it in the future.

The F-35, despite its very vocal opponents is going to go forward. In the USAF service it will replace more than 1,200 F-16s, over 300 A-10s, and other aircraft ultimately.

Is it a perfect replacement for all of those aircraft? No.

But where it has weaknesses compared directly to some of those, it has other strengths that will override those.

It will have far more stealth than any of the aircraft it is replacing. It will be as agile as any of them. It will be the most network centric fighter/attack aircraft ever built allowing it to communicate with and/or control other aircraft or their weapons like a mini-AWACS and allow it to be a significant force multiplier with other aircraft and UAVs.

Time will ultimately tell...but after years of reviewing this aircraft and what it brings to the table, I am very, very confidant of what I just said.

And apparently, even in these difficult financial times...a LOT of our allies feel the same.

The Bravo and Charlie variants will do exactly the same things for the US Marines and US Navy.
 
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Equation

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re: F-35 Joint Strike Fighter Thread

But i have been thinking about posting a post under this thread about the F-35 for sometime now like this. I like to read alot of defence websites, and lately i have read nothing but negativity over the F-35.

The main thing i have been reading is that the F-35 is crap and will be an utter disapointment, only hurting us in future warfare, taking money away from other programs, can't do anything it was said to be able to do, and "it's too big to fail/ drop".

Is the F-35 worth it?

All modern aircraft of today is worth it, whether one judge it by numbers or quality does not matter as long as you have birds on the sky on your side if a fight comes down. It's not so much about the plane itself it's the people and the program as well. To keep churning out high quality planes one must keep a sustainable program because good R&D and good engineers and scientists does not grow on trees.
 

Jeff Head

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All modern aircraft of today is worth it, whether one judge it by numbers or quality does not matter as long as you have birds on the sky on your side if a fight comes down. It's not so much about the plane itself it's the people and the program as well. To keep churning out high quality planes one must keep a sustainable program because good R&D and good engineers and scientists does not grow on trees.
Very well said, equation.

And no one has a better training and R&D program than the US right now. Others have very good ones that may be considered nearing parity, but none, IMHO, when viewed all around, are better.
 

thunderchief

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The F-35, despite its very vocal opponents is going to go forward. In the USAF service it will replace more than 1,200 F-16s, over 300 A-10s, and other aircraft ultimately.

Primarily, F-35A will replace F-16s. A-10 will be replaced by drones . Officially, F-35 would take over from Warthog, but I don't think anyone would risk such expensive aircraft in low level, low speed action against some insurgents or similar. Real problem would be replacing F-15s. F-35A could take-over strike missions from F-15E, but kinetically it is too inferior to be successful air dominance fighter. I was designed as Joint Strike Fighter , optimized for subsonic speeds and medium height . Things could get even uglier if new generation of radars really starts tracking stealth aircraft beyond 100km (and there are indication they would) . In such scenario fast high flying aircraft would have definite advantage over F-35.

Only solution for this problem is to restart production of F-22 and to form a fleet of at least 300 aircraft. Otherwise, considering maintenance and possible losses, it is very likely that USAF could not guarantee aerial superiority against more determined opponents.
 

Jeff Head

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Primarily, F-35A will replace F-16s. A-10 will be replaced by drones . Officially, F-35 would take over from Warthog, but I don't think anyone would risk such expensive aircraft in low level, low speed action against some insurgents or similar. Real problem would be replacing F-15s. F-35A could take-over strike missions from F-15E, but kinetically it is too inferior to be successful air dominance fighter. I was designed as Joint Strike Fighter , optimized for subsonic speeds and medium height . Things could get even uglier if new generation of radars really starts tracking stealth aircraft beyond 100km (and there are indication they would) . In such scenario fast high flying aircraft would have definite advantage over F-35.

Only solution for this problem is to restart production of F-22 and to form a fleet of at least 300 aircraft. Otherwise, considering maintenance and possible losses, it is very likely that USAF could not guarantee aerial superiority against more determined opponents.
As I said.

Is it a perfect replacement for all of those aircraft? No.

But where it has weaknesses compared directly to some of those, it has other strengths that will override those.

It will have far more stealth than any of the aircraft it is replacing. It will be as agile as any of them. It will be the most network centric fighter/attack aircraft ever built allowing it to communicate with and/or control other aircraft or their weapons like a mini-AWACS and allow it to be a significant force multiplier with other aircraft and UAVs.

The F-35 is going to perform far better than most people believe precisely because of its ability to have situational awareness of the battle space like no other, and to be able to then use that huge advantage to great effect.

I agree however, that for pure air superiority, the US should have at least 300 F-22s. That's still possible, though as time goes on, in a few years, the time it would take to restart that line and get there will be overcome by events as the 6th generation aircraft come into being.
 
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