East China Sea Air Defense ID Zone

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Blackstone

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It doesn't have to be that way though. Japan and South Korea can easily sit down with China and establish an independent from and free of any outsider's influence, charter. Where all three nations can agree to the scaling back of ADIZ's and creating a new regulation, whereby all aircraft which pass through the international airspace between the ADIZ's of all three nations, to report to all three or to the nation which they're the closest in proximity to, within the International Air-Space.

All things can be resolved, if only there is a willingness to do so for the sake of peace, humanity and respect for each other's sovereignty.

Is this a joke? Your own country of Pakistan can't resolve various territorial and political issues with your neighbor India, and you talk about ease of China, Korea, and Japan sitting down over tea and crumpets?
 

SampanViking

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I think there has been a lot of uncalled for commentary from a few sides in the last few posts. End it here please as it is very much bending over the line.

Anyone who carries on will have only themselves to blame for any possible disappointments over the Christmas hols.

When there is no new news on a topic, let it lie rather than just post junk. Otherwise we will simply have to put the lock back on and I really don't want to have to insult adult members by having to do that. Thank you
 

Blackstone

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Japan faces many internal problems such as... What better way to deflect attention of the internal problem to some "external" problem and play up the China threat etc.
Shinzo Abe is a nationalistic patriot, and has a brutally realistic view of International Relations with China, the US, and other Asian countries, so it's not about faking external problems to shore up domestic support.

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Dizasta1

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Well ..... post China announcing it's ADIZ, all three ... which is America, Japan and South Korea, have instructed their commercial/passenger aircraft to ID themselves with Chinese ADIZ. At least that is the news that I have been reading on this very topic. If this is the case, then China is on course to slowly but surely fully establish and implement it's monitoring of East China Sea.

I truly hope that Japan and South Korea are able to talk it out with China and peacefully resolve this matter, like civilized people. For if we find peace, which we have witnessed in this region post WW2, then we shall see more prosperity for all countries involved. And as a matter of fact, we have seen prosperity over the past 70 years, just look at South Korea, China, Japan, Singapore and Malaysia. All these countries have risen to economic prosperity and have made a name for themselves, globally, as economic powers.

Imagine what would happen if we have peace, stability and cooperation between all Asia Pacific countries, over the next 70 years??

Food for thought!
 

i.e.

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even so, that's not a just cause for a war.
revenge is only a just cause in the minds of idiots.
 
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Blitzo

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Maybe it's because Japan has and continues to whitewash its imperial past and the countless atrocities it committed, so it's not hard for the Japanese to feel that at some point, China might want to impose justice by unfriendly means...?


Honestly, the idea of china invading Japan (I.e.: not disputed island related) horrifies the majority of chinese as much as it does everyone else. Apparently Abe has a phobia that china will invade Japan... Which I find deliciously ironic given his view upon Japan's own invasion of a century past.

I doubt even the strongest Japanese nationalist would believe china wants to invade Japan to get back for Japan's whitewashing. It is a combination of the fact that china is "communist" with the fact that china and Japan has unresolved historical/territorial disputes, along with tornadoes worth of media spin, that creates this strange sense of anxiety.

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Blackstone

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Honestly, the idea of china invading Japan (I.e.: not disputed island related) horrifies the majority of chinese as much as it does everyone else. Apparently Abe has a phobia that china will invade Japan... Which I find deliciously ironic given his view upon Japan's own invasion of a century past.

I doubt even the strongest Japanese nationalist would believe china wants to invade Japan to get back for Japan's whitewashing. It is a combination of the fact that china is "communist" with the fact that china and Japan has unresolved historical/territorial disputes, along with tornadoes worth of media spin, that creates this strange sense of anxiety.

Agreed.

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Engineer

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Honestly, the idea of china invading Japan (I.e.: not disputed island related) horrifies the majority of chinese as much as it does everyone else. Apparently Abe has a phobia that china will invade Japan... Which I find deliciously ironic given his view upon Japan's own invasion of a century past.

I doubt even the strongest Japanese nationalist would believe china wants to invade Japan to get back for Japan's whitewashing. It is a combination of the fact that china is "communist" with the fact that china and Japan has unresolved historical/territorial disputes, along with tornadoes worth of media spin, that creates this strange sense of anxiety.

Japan invaded China for resources. What would China gain by invading Japan? Nothing. Furthermore, getting back at Japan doesn't require an invasion. All that would require is destruction. I think people like Abe are thinking too highly of themselves.
 
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Brumby

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I share the same thought as well, it is unfortunate and painful to watch Japan slow turns into a facist state with its secret laws, nationalistic war mongering and posture.

I am no fan of either Japan or China. This is a thread on ADIZ. How are your comments even remotely connected with the subject matter of the thread? I think your comments are biased and inflammatory and lack any basis. Do you seriously think that China is no less nationalistic and posturing in its behaviour.
 
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