For me it looks like 200-300 meters between both aircraft speaking about published video material.
East China Sea Air Defense ID Zone
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Which is why I stated that the implementation of the ADIZ was a provocative act, that would result in more tension, more close encounters, and opportunities all around for a screw-up. The US government condemned its implementation primarily for the reasons stated, and not as an attempt to "contain" China. So even though the vast majority of "intercepts" will always be benign, the tensions, animosity, and proximity are real. This has brought the focus of many peoples concerns about China, to a conclusion that maybe China is "looking for trouble". Sending bombers on patrol is provocative, and makes a statement, that's why the US flew through the ADIZ shortly after it implementation as a protest, to be noticed, and to make a statement that we objected, the bombers were unarmed and flew a very non-provocative mission profile.
Each of us as posters have an opinion, each of us have a viewpoint, yes mine is pro-US/US partners, but my point is that like the "line in the sand" or a "red line", each action by the "players" has an impact, whether you view it as positive, negative, or neutral is determined by either good sense, or your personal "loyalties" or sometimes a combination of both.
It is my considered opinion, that both the US and China, need to take a step back from the situation and look at it from the others perspective and "cool it down"...... the positive impact of Rim-Pac, may be "undone" by the inconsequential "posturing" that leads to bad feelings, and the affirmation that maybe those "feelings" are justified. Taking a step back could remind each of us that we have far more invested in a positive relationship, than we could possibly gain from igniting a "flame war" on the stage of world opinion?? just a thought??????
yeah as usual the Japanese are making a very big deal out of it in front of the press, crying wolf. their own planes are doing the very exact same thing but of course when the Chinese do it then it's provocative. I guess the best thing china can do is publish their own pictures of Japanese planes when they meet in the air and accuse them of the same.
The Japanese side has demanded officially that the pictures and videos to be taken down from the Chinese Ministry of Defense's website.
China's response?
Ministry of foreign affairs has openly called it "shameless, boring, and unreasonable"
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I certainly agree that both sides need to take steps back. But not in equal numbers.
Why not US dismantle its forces in Japan, Korea, and Guam and retreat back to Hawaii?
Why not the US navy stop carrying out exercises at the Yellow Sea which is super near our Capital? How would Americans feel if there's a Chinese aircraft carrier launching jets and exercising with allied countries only a few hundred miles off the sky of Washington D.C?
How would the Americans feel if Chinese aircraft carriers, military bases, stealth fighters, operate only hundreds of miles away off the coast of California? Furthermore sending surveillance aircrafts so near that perhaps if you're on a fishing boat near California you can hear the engines roaring?
Setting up an ADIZ is provocative? Every country in this world is entitled the right to do such a thing as long as it doesn't affect safety of air travel or infringe upon other nation's air space. Did we do that?
It's only seen as "provocative" because now you guys can't do what you used to do.
It's seen as provocative in the same way why the American Revolution was first seen as "provocative" by the British colonial masters. Or in the same way when suppressed African Americans stand up to voice their opinions and to fight for their rights. We've been suppressed for so long, that now when we finally start to exercise our normal rights, it started to get uncomfortable for the US and her allies.
sometimes the best method to use against your opponent, is to just copy what your opponent is doing and do the same yourself!
of course you first have to have the means to do it. china in the past was just too weak, poor to play these kind of games so it was a one sided affair. they didn't really have a decent airforce or navy until recently. today its a very different situation and china is 'learning the ropes'. china should be able to afford decent cameras and photograph equipment for all their planes that head up to meet their Japanese friends. they should take lots of nice pictures and have them fully published in all media fronts for everyone to enjoy.
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sometimes the best method to use against your opponent, is to just copy what your opponent is doing and do the same yourself!
Exactly.
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How about flashing Japan the Hawaiian good luck sign?
Haha, I actually went to google that reference.
Apparently the press release has not yet been updated on the MoF's website, but once it is updated I'll post here.
But those were indeed what the spokesperson's remarks.
Original words in Chinese were "无耻，无聊，无理"
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