Discussing long term impacts of Ukraine crisis

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FairAndUnbiased

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MortyandRick said:
Do you guys think that with such draconian financial sanctions, it would damage Russia so much that Russia would be scared of going against the west again in the future, and that once over the war is done, they may actually become more pro west To get into their good graces? Cause it sounds like the Russian economy is done.

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Impossible. There is no price possible for Russia to pay that does not destroy them, to get back into good graces with the west.
 
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tygyg1111

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MortyandRick said:
Do you guys think that with such draconian financial sanctions, it would damage Russia so much that Russia would be scared of going against the west again in the future, and that once over the war is done, they may actually become more pro west To get into their good graces? Cause it sounds like the Russian economy is done.

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The Yeltsin era is still fresh in their minds, and any Russian with half a brain knows that the west has no good intentions for Russia were it to capitulate.
 
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This could hurt the U.S Anti-China strategy really bad, in the eyes of the U.S China is still its biggest threat but for the Europeans they are gonna view Russia as an even bigger threat. The Europeans could try to divide the Russia-China friendship to by trying courting China with less export controls and better economic ties, nightmare fuel for the U.S.
Like someone posted before there is a possibility the Russia could make things difficult for the U.S. in the Middle East, i don't think the Russians now care if Iran gets the bomb, in fact it could be convenient for them for Iran to get the bomb.
Its also can make things difficult for the U.S in the pacific, by selling game changing weapons to China, for that reason i think Japan, SK, Singapore and most of Asia will reestablish normal economic relations with Russia in the short term. especially Japan who is really fearful of seeing China getting new weapons.
It could make China alternative financial system more appealing, a lot of countries still have ties with Russia, by example Bolsonaro didn't even condemn the invasion "is the fight between two brothers" so is possible that they could use China as link to that country bypassing the West financial system. That will give a boost to China financial system.
Nothing is for sure, but what is sure is that the Chinese leadership are studying this events really really carefully, they are taking notes on everything and they try will to find every single weakness.
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What game changer weapon systems that China need from Russia (if any) ? I can only think of nuclear sub and possibly S-500 ?
 
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antiterror13 said:
What game changer weapon systems that China need from Russia (if any) ?
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Don't need their whole weapons, just components only (mostly mechanical ones like transmissions, jet engines, etc). due to RUS extraordinary capabilities in mechanical engineering and their vast geography, CHN/RUS cooperation to link Chinese software and electronics with Russian structural/mechanical engineering and geography would be a game changer.

One of the most important things CHN/RUS can do together is a joint early warning station in Kamchatka for northern and western trajectory. For maximum trolling, put it on the Kuril Islands so Japan will 1000% never get them back. In exchange, to build trust, CHN/RUS can also operate a joint early warning station in Tibet, for southern trajectory. Also, data sharing for recon satellites.

CHN/RUS getting mutually compatible datalinks or at least a datalink translater would be a huge improvement in interoperability.
 
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MortyandRick said:
Do you guys think that with such draconian financial sanctions, it would damage Russia so much that Russia would be scared of going against the west again in the future, and that once over the war is done, they may actually become more pro west To get into their good graces? Cause it sounds like the Russian economy is done.

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Russia extremely wealthy country relative to EU. it will take some time for them to understand it. this is just gas. refined petroleum will be much more.

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