Discussing long term impacts of Ukraine crisis

horse

horse

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Mohsin77 said:
One consequence of this war is the proposed remilitarization of Germany.

Will Germany's (radically declining) population actually follow through on remilitarization? And if it does, will it integrate its defense industry with France or not? (i.e. The FCAS and MGSC projects). If Germany does integrate with France, it will increase Europe's unity.

But if Germany and France don't carry out these projects, then it's just setting the stage for the return of the German-French rivalry, which has been the old dynamic of Europe.
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Yeah, this is truly the fog of war.

Since I am an ethnic Chinese, I cannot believe the Americans would play this card, create a crisis today in Europe.

No one knows what will happen. Marcon already said NATO is brain dead.

Germans want to rearm.

Russia on the march.

Everyone in Europe has their own view.

The Americans did not realize this?

The Americans expected everyone to return to be a happy family?

Bizarre.

The fog war. Ideas the Americans heard of, but do not know what it means in practice.

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siegecrossbow

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horse said:
Yeah, this is truly the fog of war.

Since I am an ethnic Chinese, I cannot believe the Americans would play this card, create a crisis today in Europe.

No one knows what will happen. Marcon already said NATO is brain dead.

Germans want to rearm.

Russia on the march.

Everyone in Europe has their own view.

The Americans did not realize this?

The Americans expected everyone to return to be a happy family?

Bizarre.

The fog war. Ideas the Americans heard of, but do not know what it means in practice.

:oops:
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GumNaam

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FairAndUnbiased said:
I think RUS is going to have a political purge in UKR after this. In fact I think this has always been a goal of theirs, to a degree, but I think they're gonna go Soviet on them due to their frustration at setbacks, loss of patience with talks for stalling and UKR behavior.

1. Denazification as a stated war goal. How do you deprogram hardcore racists? You can't, not gently anyhow. You can't educate them to hate less.

2. They said they were tracking government communication and know who the fascists are.

3. UKR hasn't exactly been helping it's own case by pulling Wehrmacht Battle of Berlin type moves and possible war crimes.
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finland, estonia and latvia are next...estonia and latvia are tiny nations that will probably leave nato after seeing the butchery ukraine suffered since they know that there is no way in hell nato would be able to react fast enough to protect their tiny countries. finland would probably would probably remain neutral provided that Russia provide it some unique incentives to guarantee that it would never be attack and maybe even give it preferential treatment in trade.
 
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GumNaam said:
finland, estonia and latvia are next...estonia and latvia are tiny nations that will probably leave nato after seeing the butchery ukraine suffered since they know that there is no way in hell nato would be able to react fast enough to protect their tiny countries. finland would probably would probably remain neutral provided that Russia provide it some unique incentives to guarantee that it would never be attack and maybe even give it preferential treatment in trade.
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Estonia and Latvia won't happen without war with NATO around.
They will never leave NATO willingly after what happened to Ukraine.
Most likely they will want more NATO forces to be stationed there.
Finland won't happen without war with EU and very likely leading to NATO involvement as well.
It might or might not join NATO. Russia has nothing to give it that matches the EU or even the other nordic countries.
The two countries also has past history.
Putin might gamble that none of the above will happen but it's the most likely outcome by far imo.
 
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Tam

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This is one guy that make sense (most of the time). Putting sanctions on the Russian people will drive them further away from the center and from the West, and will only serve to harden them.


Actions such as these will only harden the Islamic world against the Ukraine and the West if the Ukrainian government doesn't purge the Neo-Nazis off their ranks.

 
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Vatt’ghern

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FairAndUnbiased said:
I think RUS is going to have a political purge in UKR after this. In fact I think this has always been a goal of theirs, to a degree, but I think they're gonna go Soviet on them due to their frustration at setbacks, loss of patience with talks for stalling and UKR behavior.

1. Denazification as a stated war goal. How do you deprogram hardcore racists? You can't, not gently anyhow. You can't educate them to hate less.

2. They said they were tracking government communication and know who the fascists are.

3. UKR hasn't exactly been helping it's own case by pulling Wehrmacht Battle of Berlin type moves and possible war crimes.
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For point 1. you don't, not really; the west after ww2 just gave up on denazification since the entire german society would have been jobless and indicted if they couldn't employ nazis; a lot of NATO founders were Nazis, which says a lot of current NATO today.

At best, you could try for Chinese style re-education all the Korean War
 
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MortyandRick

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Do you guys think that with such draconian financial sanctions, it would damage Russia so much that Russia would be scared of going against the west again in the future, and that once over the war is done, they may actually become more pro west To get into their good graces? Cause it sounds like the Russian economy is done.

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MortyandRick said:
Do you guys think that with such draconian financial sanctions, it would damage Russia so much that Russia would be scared of going against the west again in the future, and that once over the war is done, they may actually become more pro west To get into their good graces? Cause it sounds like the Russian economy is done.

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As long as Putin or one of his proteges (if he has any) is in charge, no I don't think so. I think his attachment to Soviet nostalgia is a little too strong to be swayed by sanctions in the long term.
 
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