Discussing long term impacts of Ukraine crisis

Tyler

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The SIPRI data does not put a value on every deal it lists, but based on figures provided over the last decade, China has on an annual basis spent at least between $70 million-$80 million.

Long-running programmes include a $317 million-$319 million deal to provide amphibious assault vehicles and $380 million for turbofan engines for Chinese JL-10 combat aircraft trainers, the SIPRI data shows.

Another important deal was the sale of 30 gas turbines for 15 Type-052D destroyers - engines that China is now producing under license and may have also adapted and improved for more modern ships, envoys say.

To be sure, the technology China's military technicians and engineers have acquired has enabled the growth of the country's own indigenous design and manufacturing abilities, making it less reliant on Ukraine than it once was.

"China was very dependent on Ukrainian technology in the 1990s and early 2000s, but that has diminished more and more, particularly as China has developed its own design and manufacturing capabilities," said Siemon Wezeman, a senior arms transfer researcher with SIPRI.
"There still may be some technology the Chinese are after, particularly aerospace and missile related… and traditionally they (Ukraine) produce quality, it is cutting edge," Wezeman told
Chinese warships should not be relying on foreign technology.
 

ArmchairAnalyst

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MUTUAL DEFENCE CLAUSE

The Treaty of Lisbon strengthens the solidarity between EU countries in dealing with external threats by introducing a mutual defence clause (Article 42(7) of the Treaty on European Union). This clause provides that if an EU country is the victim of armed aggression on its territory, the other EU countries have an obligation to aid and assist it by all the means in their power, in accordance with Article 51 of the United Nations Charter.

This obligation of mutual defence is binding on all EU countries. However, it does not affect the neutrality of certain EU countries and is consistent with the commitments of EU countries which are NATO members.

This provision is supplemented by the solidarity clause (Article 222 of the Treaty on the Functioning of the EU) which provides that EU countries are obliged to act jointly where an EU country is the victim of a terrorist attack or a natural or man-made disaster.

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gelgoog

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I've always wondered, what was Kazakhstan's excuse for not aiding Russia in the war on Ukraine, to my mind there was a blood debt that ought to have been repaid.
At the very least, Kazakhs did abstain from the recent UN vote along with China.
What makes you think Putin ever asked for their help? AFAIK Belarussian troops have not gone into Ukraine either and they are part of the Union State. Kazakhstan is probably still cleaning house and it is not like their military is particularly formidable. Probably would be more of a liability than help at this point. Perhaps in the future they will boost military spending but right now this does not seem to be the case.

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One more consequence...
Please do accept it EU. Uncle Putin needs an excuse to bust up TANAP and your dream of Caspian Sea gas.
 
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horse

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Please tell me the historical evidence for that view? What NATO country has been lost in such a way? Or why the Soviets didn't try to invade a peripheral NATO country or even test that notion back then?
Past history would suggest that you are only fooling yourself to think otherwise :)

The Soviet Union disintegrated.

Why not NATO?

If President Trump had his way ...

2024!

:oops:
 

horse

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He is euphemistically called a "realist." I suspect he might be more a racist, given his pro-russian stance.

Mearsheimer is stupid. He has no brain.

The only strategy he knows is playing cowboys and Indians.

He lived in an era where the United States had all the power.

Almost any strategy can work when you got all the power.

Now when there is some real competition, it is still more cowboys and Indians. That is the fundamental problem of the right wing of America IMHO, too simplistic to the point of irrelevance.

That's all they know. Playing cowboys and Indians.

Then again, I guess he had a point. They all left Afghanistan together.

:p
 
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