Discussing long term impacts of Ukraine crisis

ArmchairAnalyst

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Nuclear proliferation because:
1) Nuclear deterrence works.
2) Nuclear blackmail works.
3) The Nuclear Club is more split than ever and might gain more from proliferation than by containing it.
 

Abominable

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Kazakhstan is the least dependent on Russia. It's a competitor in the energy market. It also does not send workers to Russia.
Looking at the stats for trade with Russia:
That's #1 & 3 import and export partner. That's not even taking into account China who wont be too pleased their new best friend is being sanctioned.

It's one thing to get a country to condemn something, which doesn't really cost anything, and another to get countries to damage themselves economically for a country they don't really care about.
 

supersnoop

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Xi's upcoming visit to Kazakhstan will be very interesting to watch. Kazakhstan is probably very uneasy right now. It has a large ethnic Russian population and Russian is currently the language of business. Kazakh Chinese or former Kazakh Chinese working there often complain about their lack of economic opportunities because they don't speak Russian. The government is actively promoting Kazakh language at the expense of Russian. Interesting to watch if China will be invited to play a bigger role in Central Asian security.
Also to note is Kazakh in China still uses Arabic script while Kazakhstan uses Cyrillic, but apparently transitioning to Latin

Use of Arabic script for Kazakh dates back a few hundred years. Guess the PRC is really bad at genocide both cultural and actual, lol
 

Bellum_Romanum

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The problem with all these ex Soviet states is that they are all very closely tied to Russia. If Russia has sanctions put on them, they'll suffer. A lot of their military equipment is Russian, many of their people go to Russia to look for work. The EU and America can't afford to pay for all their problems.

Kazakhstan's stance is especially weird given that the president nearly lost power not long ago. Not only were the people revolting, so was parts of the army and police. Russia bailed him out. Who is he going to call the next time it happens?
Ghost busters?
 

OppositeDay

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Looking at the stats for trade with Russia:
That's #1 & 3 import and export partner. That's not even taking into account China who wont be too pleased their new best friend is being sanctioned.

It's one thing to get a country to condemn something, which doesn't really cost anything, and another to get countries to damage themselves economically for a country they don't really care about.

Russia and Kazakhstan are in a custom union, of course there are a lot of trade between them. But there's nothing they can't import from China. Also does it count as Russia import every time Russia launches a spacecraft from Kazakhstan?

My father once visited Sino-Kazakhstan border and people there make a living by buying duty-free Russian sweets and chocolates from Kazakhstan and reselling them on Taobao. So at least some of those Russian export to Kazakhstan are really Russian export to China.
 

9dashline

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Yup exactly what they accused China and Huawei of potentially doing in the future, they have just now already done themselves...

My take is they knew they were going to abuse their position and call in the cards someday and thus smeared China and Huawei so when the day came to drop the axe there would be no alternatives around... very conniving and calculated
 

GumNaam

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Long term impact? Here's my take:

If Russia has to withdraw from ukraine, then the western world will become very bold in shooting its "sanctions" guns over every little thing and I mean, even putting on a pair of shoes that the west doesn't like will result in sanctions.

However, if Russia succeeds in subduing ukraine while toughing out the sanctions then you can practically kiss the western threat of "sanctions" good bye. Even tiny little countries like trinidad won't take the west seriously.

The latter is far FAR FAR more probable than the former since, let's face it...no matter how many sanctions there are, no matter how many times they so called "condemn" Russia's invasion, no matter how many Russian banks they disconnect from swift, no matter how many times they create western media circus against Russia, Russia has the 3 things that the world, especially europe, just cannot live without:
1. oil
2. gas
3. wheat

Even today, every single Russian bank that deals with gas and petroleum transactions has NOT been blocked from swift. europe knows that if they block those banks, Russia can simply turn around and sell to China the oil, gas and wheat that europe wanted to purchase. End of the day, Russia looses nothing while inflation in europe and america would go through the roof with long (and cold) lines of cars at gas stations. Notice that germany is still getting gas from Norstream 1 and Turkey still continues to purchase oil from Russia in spite of having supported the sanctions and all the western hoopla about condemning Russia's invasion. Russia is simply waiting the west out while also beating the living snot out of ukraine. Give it a month, once ukraine is in ruins with Russian oil, gas and wheat continuing to ship unabated, biden would be far too embarrassed to even look at Putin in the eyes while Putin would become virtually unstoppable with a smirk on his face.

if anyone disagrees then please present your arguments and evidence.
 
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siegecrossbow

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Also to note is Kazakh in China still uses Arabic script while Kazakhstan uses Cyrillic, but apparently transitioning to Latin

Use of Arabic script for Kazakh dates back a few hundred years. Guess the PRC is really bad at genocide both cultural and actual, lol

Same with Mongolian. Mongols in China use Mongolian script whereas Outer Mongolians use Cyrillic.
 
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