yea and look what it's led to in terms of US-China relations.
Obama wasn't easy on China either, he got a lot more done against China than Trump.
yea and look what it's led to in terms of US-China relations.
Obama wasn't easy on China either, he got a lot more done against China than Trump.
@localizer gets it.
I'm not insisting that everyone agree with me on this. But Trump's chaotic inept incompetent foreign policy was a blessing to China.
You won't get that from Biden.
And do look out for the Senate and House election results. We might end up with a primarily republican US government with a democrat Mask.
The real test has just begun. Unlike Trump, Biden knows statescraft. He is a politician first and foremost who has seen the Cold War rage and end.
Biden is many things but he isn't incompetent. He knows his stuff. And that is dangerous.
I'm not insisting that everyone agree with me on this. But Trump's chaotic inept incompetent foreign policy was a blessing to China.
You won't get that from Biden.
And do look out for the Senate and House election results. We might end up with a primarily republican US government with a democrat Mask.
The real test has just begun. Unlike Trump, Biden knows statescraft. He is a politician first and foremost who has seen the Cold War rage and end.
Biden is many things but he isn't incompetent. He knows his stuff. And that is dangerous.
He knows his stuff but he is old as of now and with his age, he isn’t is the same state as he was 4 years ago and back then, the USA has a better hand but right now, there are too many problems to solve that quite frankly is worse then the state of Russia when the Cold War ended. The USA cannot print money forever to solve problems and all it would take to really make things a nightmare to solve is crashing the stock market along with another super disaster going off like a massive earth quake or a strong hurricane, both of which could happen and neither of which the current USA is prepared for.
Him being a politician also means nothing if he cannot solve the pandemic and the unemployment problems along with the social problems that is getting worse by the day.
Obama was one of the worst US presidents ever IMHO. In terms of job performance, he was abysmal.
However, he was good for China!
He kind of like looked the other way with the South China Sea and how quickly they moved into their new fortifications.
Then Obama negotiated a trade deal the TPP, which it turns out to be deeply unpopular back home, and that was DOA.
After Obama left, and after four years of Trump, China basically is in de facto control of the entire South China Sea, and the TPP is still DOA.
antiterror13
Brigadier
What Obama has done successfully against China?
We have to look 3 to 4 steps ahead.
Even if we look 2 steps ahead, after the allies band together, then what?
All bad choices.
Such as the situation Australia has with its largest trading partner. Soon to be not their largest trading partner, maybe.
I don't know. Cannot remember anything myself.
Obama did ban the sale of semiconductor chip used to make the supercomputer, which was building taking the lead on that fastest supercomputer list.
That ban did not work as China produced similar chips later, and it was their cabling I believe that made the Chinese supercomputer the fastest in the world for 5 years straight.
Rumour was that during the Trump administration, China would not compete in that contest anymore because it did not want to win again and antagonize the Trump regime even more.
Man, I am going to miss Trump. Hope he finds loophole. Get that Cohen guy on it!
bajingan
Senior Member
europe is in dissaray and neck deep in pandemic, brexit, and islamic fundamentalism exacerbated by macron offending islam and japan is in worst recession since 1980
China is the only economy recovering and posting economic growth this year
They would be beyond idiot if they try to antagonize China now and risk being excluded from the Chinese economic recovery engine, it would be tantamount to digging their own graves
I thought Joe Biden is ok with that since they can always print a few more dollars to fix that minor problem although to be serious, I honestly wonder when on earth the stock market will finally crash since this money printing routine is getting annoying
bajingan
Senior Member
Also i would like to add like i said many times here, eu is the only reason there is no China russia alliance, because China still values deeply cooperation and it relationship with eu
If eu fully join japan and usa in cold war style containment of China then all bets are off
Biden is on record saying that russia is an opponent and that he will go after russia, so if he also go after China at the same time then it will be double containment strategy against both, with eu fully on us side
So whats stopping China russia in forming an alliance in countering that
I believe this scenario is what putin had in mind when he said that alliance with China is possible