I am not, an I don't speak Chinese. I got my information from native Chinese speakers
CV-18 Fujian/003 CATOBAR carrier thread
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Intrepid
Major
This is not good. The best thing is to look at people as separate beings, not as Westerners or Easterners or whatever.
Jura The idiot
General
I can imagine some China members may dislike reading about quote unquote correct name!
basically this is why I suggested
May 4, 2018
to change
Type 001A (CV-17 Shandong) Aircraft Carrier News & Discussions
to
The 1st Domestically Built Chinese Aircraft Carrier News & Discussions
Type 002 (CV-18) Carrier News & Discussions
to
The 2nd Domestically Built Chinese Aircraft Carrier News & Discussions
etc.
until the designation is known 'beyond reasonable doubt', as now in
CV-16 Liaoning Thread II ...News, Views and operations
Intrepid
Major
Neither for the Russian nor for the Chinese Navy is it important that their aircraft carrier was launched once in Ukraine. Therefore, delete the word domestically, Liaoning is the 1st Chinese aircraft carrier.
And delete "CV-". It's neither CV-16 Liaoning nor R16 Liaoning, it's just 16 Liaoning.
And delete "CV-". It's neither CV-16 Liaoning nor R16 Liaoning, it's just 16 Liaoning.
vesicles
Colonel
All the debates about a temporary designation... Wasting so much time and energy on something that will be tossed away and never mentioned again?
Why don’t we just call it (the one that is about go on its second sea trial) the second Chinese carrier. We can switch to its official designation once it gets it.
Why don’t we just call it (the one that is about go on its second sea trial) the second Chinese carrier. We can switch to its official designation once it gets it.
In Mandarin Chinese, it would be "老大，老二，老三" or "大，二，三 儿子". Word for word in English "Old Big, Old 2, Old 3" or "Big, 2, 3 son". If the 3rd son is the last son, he can also be called "小儿子" or "little son" instead of number 3.
Other dialects are pretty much the same with some variations. Such as "老幺" or "小幺", "Old last" or "Little last" in one of the southern dialects.
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One more confusing culture background, in many Chinese dialects, "old" is not old in English. like in tiger being called "老虎" (old tiger) even a tiger cub.
There won't be any confusion if the 3rd carrier(aka CV-18, type 003, ex-002, so on and so forth
) is a clean sheet design unrelated to the Soviet based design. I am inclined to believe the clean sheet possibility because adding all the extra piping for steam cat (if it was true) and later change to EMALS is way too much work than modifying the Soviet design, it is easier to design a new hull after the excising design/build work on CV-17.
vesicles
Colonel
I believe the Chinese “old” most likely means “great”, or “grant”...
Yes often it is "great". It is also of respectful admiring curtesy. In "老同志" "Old Comrade", it is to address people who served longer time by the new comers. Or it is just "past or ex" as in "老领导，老同学，老同事" which is "ex leader, ex classmate, ex colleague". In "老虎", it means the ferocious might of the tiger. Of course, in many other contexts, it really means old in English.