CV-18 Fujian/003 CATOBAR carrier thread

[Wakingbake]

China's Aircraft Carrier Fleet Poised to Expand Rapidly
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There is a “considerable chance” the number of aircraft-carrying ships available in the Chinese navy will be seven instead of four by 2025 because of a “lower profile defense program” that has already taken shape, a new report indicates.

The People's Liberation Army-Navy has plans to build three large aircraft carriers in addition to the Liaoning, a carrier whose frame was built in the former Soviet Union before being purchased and retrofitted by the Chinese. Each follow-on carrier to join the Liaoning in the Chinese carrier fleet is at various stages of development and construction, with the Type 001A, the country's first domestically built carrier,

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In addition to the heavy duty carriers, though, the Chinese navy has several smaller aircraft carriers in development similar to the America-class and Wasp-class ships operated by US Marines and the US Navy, military analyst Abraham Ait wrote in a report published by the Diplomat June 30.

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With more aircraft carriers, China can more closely match the US' naval force point for point in waters close to China, even though the US Navy commands 20 aircraft carriers, including the Nimitz, America and Wasp class, and is working on a new Ford-class series.

Smaller amphibious assault ships like the America and Wasp class ships, which can also carry fighter jets, are nothing to sneeze at. Chinese shipyard workers have started assembling "three amphibious assault ships — 40,000-ton warships approximately the same size as the French carrier Charles De Gaulle," the Diplomat report notes, adding that the ships are "almost identical in size and appearance" to the US'. That's twice the size of the United Kingdom's Invincible-class aircraft carriers.

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According to the analyst's view, "With the US Navy today increasingly stretched between several major fronts, and set to potentially escalate its involvement in the Middle East in light of growing tensions with Iran, matching a Chinese fleet of seven carrier warships… will be a highly strenuous task."

Furthermore, these plans for expanding only concern the next seven years. Given that China's military budget is growing around 7 percent annually, the analyst writes, "the PLA-N has room to induct more carriers, both assault ships and conventional larger vessels, after 2025."

 

[asif iqbal]

By 2025 maybe not all commissioned

2 x STOBAR
2 x CV EMALS
2 x CVN EMALS

216 naval aircraft

Second only to USN

USN will have to commit 50% of its fleet to match China

Impossible because of other commitments

Polar Pacific dominance is over in the next few years

This will change strategy and shape future policy’s and foreign affairs and this is no joke

 

[weig2000]

By 2025 maybe not all commissioned

2 x STOBAR
2 x CV EMALS
2 x CVN EMALS

216 naval aircraft

Second only to USN

USN will have to commit 50% of its fleet to match China

Impossible because of other commitments

Polar Pacific dominance is over in the next few years

This will change strategy and shape future policy’s and foreign affairs and this is no joke

The article exaggerates a bit, counting amphibious assault ships as carriers. So essentially it projects that China will have four conventional carriers plus three WASP-class amphibious assult ships.

There is no way China can build two CVNs by 2025.

 

[asif iqbal]

This is why i specifically said “maybe not all
Commissioned “

 

[Totoro]

Agreed. If we see next carrier assembled next year, it will still need 2-3 years to launch and another 2-3 to commission. So the EMALS CV one might be in commission in 2024. Theoretically speaking, if Dalian also has also started cutting steel for another one, by 2025 there might be two. Though more realistically it'd say more than one year between those carriers. So 2026 or 2027. And to start already building CVN ones right after CV ones have been launched just doesn't seem likely. Just like there is going to be a 3-4 gap between commissioning of Stobar carrier and first CVN, i'd say its more likely similar gap will happen between last CV and first CVN. So i don't really expect first CVN to be commissioned before 2027, at best. 2030 would still also be realistic.

And without STOVL planes the amphibious assault flat tops can not be counted as plane carriers. Chances of such a plane to appear as a prototype in the next 5 years are close to zero, i'd say. First we'd get a few years of frequent rumors about it from the big shrimps. So even if, say, in 2021 we do see such a plane perform first flight, it would not complete development and see any sort of deployment on ships for another 7-8 years. So again we're getting awfully close to 2030.

 

[Intrepid]

Step by step!
Let us first see the 3rd Chinese carrier growing in the drydock the next two or three years, followed by fitting it out - lasting additional one or two years. Then we will watch the trial phase lasting an other two to four years.

 

[PanAsian]

The article exaggerates a bit, counting amphibious assault ships as carriers. So essentially it projects that China will have four conventional carriers plus three WASP-class amphibious assult ships.

There is no way China can build two CVNs by 2025.

Other countries do have the ability to operate their LHD/LHA/Helicopter Destroyers as aircraft carriers but China neither has the ships nor the aircraft to do so.

 

[Deleted member 13312]

There is no way China can build two CVNs by 2025.

Assuming if all preliminary design and work is completed and the first steel cutting is commenced no later than 2021 at both Dalian and Shanghai, China can possibly have 2 completed CVNs by 2025 but not undergoing sea trials yet. It will be close but they can possibly manage it.

 

[Blitzo]

The article exaggerates a bit, counting amphibious assault ships as carriers. So essentially it projects that China will have four conventional carriers plus three WASP-class amphibious assult ships.

There is no way China can build two CVNs by 2025.

well the article is basically entirely dependent on the idea that China somehow has a VSTOL fighter in the works that will emerge in the foreseeable future, which of course is ridiculous.

However, the overall idea of having 3 075s in service by 2025 as well as 4 carriers in service by 2025 is not entirely unreasonable.

Agreed. If we see next carrier assembled next year, it will still need 2-3 years to launch and another 2-3 to commission. So the EMALS CV one might be in commission in 2024. Theoretically speaking, if Dalian also has also started cutting steel for another one, by 2025 there might be two. Though more realistically it'd say more than one year between those carriers. So 2026 or 2027. And to start already building CVN ones right after CV ones have been launched just doesn't seem likely. Just like there is going to be a 3-4 gap between commissioning of Stobar carrier and first CVN, i'd say its more likely similar gap will happen between last CV and first CVN. So i don't really expect first CVN to be commissioned before 2027, at best. 2030 would still also be realistic.

If 003 in Shanghai is built in a manner which has been alluded to by fzgfzy where large modules are assembled at different sites before coming together, it might take shorter than 2-3 years to launch from seeing it begin assembly. Call it in service by 2023.
In turn, if Dalian begins construction of another carrier of the same model as 003 within the next two years, I could see it entering service in 2025. It'll definitely be cutting it close with a lot of space for things to be delayed and definitely for things to go wrong -- but I think overall the idea of 3 075s + 4 CVs by 2025 isn't something to be dismissed out of hand.

 

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China's Aircraft Carrier Fleet Poised to Expand Rapidly
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There is a “considerable chance” the number of aircraft-carrying ships available in the Chinese navy will be seven instead of four by 2025 because of a “lower profile defense program” that has already taken shape, a new report indicates.

The People's Liberation Army-Navy has plans to build three large aircraft carriers in addition to the Liaoning, a carrier whose frame was built in the former Soviet Union before being purchased and retrofitted by the Chinese. Each follow-on carrier to join the Liaoning in the Chinese carrier fleet is at various stages of development and construction, with the Type 001A, the country's first domestically built carrier,

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In addition to the heavy duty carriers, though, the Chinese navy has several smaller aircraft carriers in development similar to the America-class and Wasp-class ships operated by US Marines and the US Navy, military analyst Abraham Ait wrote in a report published by the Diplomat June 30.

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With more aircraft carriers, China can more closely match the US' naval force point for point in waters close to China, even though the US Navy commands 20 aircraft carriers, including the Nimitz, America and Wasp class, and is working on a new Ford-class series.

Smaller amphibious assault ships like the America and Wasp class ships, which can also carry fighter jets, are nothing to sneeze at. Chinese shipyard workers have started assembling "three amphibious assault ships — 40,000-ton warships approximately the same size as the French carrier Charles De Gaulle," the Diplomat report notes, adding that the ships are "almost identical in size and appearance" to the US'. That's twice the size of the United Kingdom's Invincible-class aircraft carriers.

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According to the analyst's view, "With the US Navy today increasingly stretched between several major fronts, and set to potentially escalate its involvement in the Middle East in light of growing tensions with Iran, matching a Chinese fleet of seven carrier warships… will be a highly strenuous task."

Furthermore, these plans for expanding only concern the next seven years. Given that China's military budget is growing around 7 percent annually, the analyst writes, "the PLA-N has room to induct more carriers, both assault ships and conventional larger vessels, after 2025."

Nice pic of the LIaoning.

...and in this report, like the one issued by the Chinese on the Type 001A/CV-17 page, they continue to refer to her as the Type 001A.

There, the Chinese Shipbuiling INductry Corporation Chairman said the following:

The first sea trial results for the ship, known as the Type 001A, have been successful, China Shipbuilding Industry Corporation (CSIC) Chairman Hu Wenming said on June 21.

Anyhow, the Chinese are moviong forwrd impressively and I personally think they will end up with six large carrier.

2 x Liaoning Type (Type 001 and Type 001A)

2 x Type 002

2 x Type 003