CV-16 Liaoning (001 carrier) Thread II ...News, Views and operations
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asif iqbal
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Looking at the deck I see space behind the blast deflector for 2 x J15 parking
So in terms of spots that's another 2 so 13+2
= 15
That's without using the actual flight deck
That's as good as it gets really
Easily 12 above deck and 12 below for 24 units
But 13 on deck without restriction on flight operations
So in terms of spots that's another 2 so 13+2
= 15
That's without using the actual flight deck
That's as good as it gets really
Easily 12 above deck and 12 below for 24 units
But 13 on deck without restriction on flight operations
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Yes we have Jeff. But what we've is just the basics..
I want to see this type of maintenance;
And when you see the PLAN doing this type of maintenance you will know with 100% certainty that CV-16 is ready for an extended deployment.
Hendrik_2000
Lieutenant General
The latest from Henri K. He talk about the engine performance of Liaoning clocking about 23 knot which is much better than Kutznetzov speed of 18 knot. Another thing it has been 4 years since Liaoning comission no big snafu, that should quiet those western press slander of "walmart" quality
He often talk about GAN now I know what it is Group Aero Naval or CBG
We reported here on Christmas Day, the battle group around the Chinese aircraft carrierLiaoning came into Pacific Ocean for the first time since his admission to active duty in September 2012.
also led us to believe that this event, given the composition of the group, will be short-lived, a week at most.
But what is really happening? Where is the Chinese Carrier Group now that it has crossed the first chain of islands?
Since the first report by the Japanese General Staff on the event, the military of Japan and Taiwan have remained very attentive, for obvious reasons, to this unprecedented crossing of the Chinese aircraft carrier.
Thus, the Japanese Ministry of Defense and its Taiwan counterpart each issued a new report on December 25, and two additional communiqués were broadcast by the Taiwanese MoD on Monday, December 26, giving a little more detail on the course taken by the Chinese carrier group.
In , we learn that a frigate and a Japanese maritime patrol aircraft P-3C followed the Chinese aircraft carrier and its escort ships, around 10 am local time 110 kilometers North- East of the Miyako-jima archipelago.
A Chinese helicopter ASW type Z-9C , which approached the Japanese island in the afternoon by the Southeast direction also forced the Japanese armed forces to send fighters there.
Images taken by the Japanese show no aircraft is parked on the flight deck of the aircraft carrier Liaoning , and all the guns escort ships are at zero. There is therefore no sign of hostility within the Chinese carrier group during their voyage - at least not in apparent terms - and there is no indication to date that Japanese aircraft and vessels are being intercepted by their Chinese counterparts.
The aircraft carrier Liaoning photographed by a Japanese P-3C on December 25, 2016. (Source: Japan Joint Staff)
One of the destroyers Type 052C, 171 Haikou, escorting the Chinese aircraft carrier was photographed by a Japanese P-3C on December 25, 2016. (Source: Japan Joint Staff)
And two other releases issued by the Taiwan Ministry of Defence allowed us to locate the carrier battle group Liaoning once it is out of the ADIZ (Air Defense Identification Zone) Japanese and entered that of Taiwan.
It turns out that the Chinese aircraft carrier and its escort group rode straight once they crossed the Miyako Strait and entered the Western Pacific.
Indeed, between the first place where the Japanese aircraft had seen the Chinese carrier group around 10 am on the 25th of December, and where the Taiwanese had seen the latter in the south of their ADIZ around 8 pm, there was a Distance of about 230 nautical miles that Chinese ships traveled in 10 hours, an average speed of 23 knots per hour.
This is tantamount to saying that the Chinese aircraft carrier would not have stopped before returning to the South China Sea in the south through the Bashi Strait.
The bottom pattern reconstructs the path of the carrier group Liaoning from late November until now, based on news releases and official reports from different countries -
The route of the Liaoning carrier group, in yellow line, since the end of November 2016. The red frame represents the ADIZ of Taiwan.
Since none of the Japanese and Taiwanese reports did not mention the activities of the board battle group of the aircraft carrier Liaoning, it is not known yet if the pilot J-15 have made some bridged Pacific Ocean. We await, for this, the possible reports on the Chinese side to find out more.
But what we can already say that first output Liaoning in the Pacific West is that it is not just symbolic. Indeed, at least we know that the propulsion of the Chinese aircraft carrier does not have the same concern as his twin Russian Admiral Kuznetsov , the speed would be limited to less than 18 knots to prevent the system goes into overspeed . The modifications, more than 1,000 officially, that the Chinese engineers brought to the circuits seem to have borne fruit and the reliability of the system seems to be proven.
This exit also allows the very young Chinese air carrier group to perfect their operation together, although it is not yet complete - in the standard composition of the Chinese air carrier group, it should consist of an aircraft carrier, six destroyers And frigates, two attacking nuclear submarines, and a tanker tanker.
Now, at the level of surface vessels, we have only three destroyers, two frigates and one corvette this time. Besides the 966 tanker Gaoyouhu Type 903A and 594 corvette ZhuzhouType 056A were not seen by the Japanese nor by the Taiwanese. They should have left the group before it crosses the Japanese archipelago.
At the end of December 2013, the Liaoning Carrier Group conducted its first exercise in the South China Sea.
Will the group join in the coming days the Yalong naval base, where is an aircraft carrier dock also, or will it directly maneuver in the South China Sea as was the case at the end of December 2013? It will certainly depend on the remaining autonomy of the group. But the continuation of the event already promises surprises and the future maneuver in this very disputed area is going to be very interesting.
To be continued.
Henri K.
He often talk about GAN now I know what it is Group Aero Naval or CBG
We reported here on Christmas Day, the battle group around the Chinese aircraft carrierLiaoning came into Pacific Ocean for the first time since his admission to active duty in September 2012.
also led us to believe that this event, given the composition of the group, will be short-lived, a week at most.
But what is really happening? Where is the Chinese Carrier Group now that it has crossed the first chain of islands?
Since the first report by the Japanese General Staff on the event, the military of Japan and Taiwan have remained very attentive, for obvious reasons, to this unprecedented crossing of the Chinese aircraft carrier.
Thus, the Japanese Ministry of Defense and its Taiwan counterpart each issued a new report on December 25, and two additional communiqués were broadcast by the Taiwanese MoD on Monday, December 26, giving a little more detail on the course taken by the Chinese carrier group.
In , we learn that a frigate and a Japanese maritime patrol aircraft P-3C followed the Chinese aircraft carrier and its escort ships, around 10 am local time 110 kilometers North- East of the Miyako-jima archipelago.
A Chinese helicopter ASW type Z-9C , which approached the Japanese island in the afternoon by the Southeast direction also forced the Japanese armed forces to send fighters there.
Images taken by the Japanese show no aircraft is parked on the flight deck of the aircraft carrier Liaoning , and all the guns escort ships are at zero. There is therefore no sign of hostility within the Chinese carrier group during their voyage - at least not in apparent terms - and there is no indication to date that Japanese aircraft and vessels are being intercepted by their Chinese counterparts.
The aircraft carrier Liaoning photographed by a Japanese P-3C on December 25, 2016. (Source: Japan Joint Staff)
One of the destroyers Type 052C, 171 Haikou, escorting the Chinese aircraft carrier was photographed by a Japanese P-3C on December 25, 2016. (Source: Japan Joint Staff)
And two other releases issued by the Taiwan Ministry of Defence allowed us to locate the carrier battle group Liaoning once it is out of the ADIZ (Air Defense Identification Zone) Japanese and entered that of Taiwan.
It turns out that the Chinese aircraft carrier and its escort group rode straight once they crossed the Miyako Strait and entered the Western Pacific.
Indeed, between the first place where the Japanese aircraft had seen the Chinese carrier group around 10 am on the 25th of December, and where the Taiwanese had seen the latter in the south of their ADIZ around 8 pm, there was a Distance of about 230 nautical miles that Chinese ships traveled in 10 hours, an average speed of 23 knots per hour.
This is tantamount to saying that the Chinese aircraft carrier would not have stopped before returning to the South China Sea in the south through the Bashi Strait.
The bottom pattern reconstructs the path of the carrier group Liaoning from late November until now, based on news releases and official reports from different countries -
The route of the Liaoning carrier group, in yellow line, since the end of November 2016. The red frame represents the ADIZ of Taiwan.
Since none of the Japanese and Taiwanese reports did not mention the activities of the board battle group of the aircraft carrier Liaoning, it is not known yet if the pilot J-15 have made some bridged Pacific Ocean. We await, for this, the possible reports on the Chinese side to find out more.
But what we can already say that first output Liaoning in the Pacific West is that it is not just symbolic. Indeed, at least we know that the propulsion of the Chinese aircraft carrier does not have the same concern as his twin Russian Admiral Kuznetsov , the speed would be limited to less than 18 knots to prevent the system goes into overspeed . The modifications, more than 1,000 officially, that the Chinese engineers brought to the circuits seem to have borne fruit and the reliability of the system seems to be proven.
This exit also allows the very young Chinese air carrier group to perfect their operation together, although it is not yet complete - in the standard composition of the Chinese air carrier group, it should consist of an aircraft carrier, six destroyers And frigates, two attacking nuclear submarines, and a tanker tanker.
Now, at the level of surface vessels, we have only three destroyers, two frigates and one corvette this time. Besides the 966 tanker Gaoyouhu Type 903A and 594 corvette ZhuzhouType 056A were not seen by the Japanese nor by the Taiwanese. They should have left the group before it crosses the Japanese archipelago.
At the end of December 2013, the Liaoning Carrier Group conducted its first exercise in the South China Sea.
Will the group join in the coming days the Yalong naval base, where is an aircraft carrier dock also, or will it directly maneuver in the South China Sea as was the case at the end of December 2013? It will certainly depend on the remaining autonomy of the group. But the continuation of the event already promises surprises and the future maneuver in this very disputed area is going to be very interesting.
To be continued.
Henri K.
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Hendrik_2000
Lieutenant General
I don't think the PLAN need to follow US Navy practice as their radius of operation is limited to Western Pacific
Instead of full jet engine maintenance why just not carry spare? And only do light maintenance and reserve the heavy maintenance when they arrive at home port
The same approach with your car do it at home for light maintenance and go to shop for heavy maintenance.
with 13 J 15 on deck they have plenty of room to do the light maintenance at their storage below the deck
kwaigonegin
Colonel
They probably can't do a full test run by the jet shop since they don't have a full jet shop to run it in the aft since the fantail for such hookups doesn't exist.
I'm guessing they can do everything up to actual jet engine test in the shop then roll the jet stand to the elevators for final power ups and data collection.
You can bet 99.9% their next indigenous carrier after will have a proper jet shop like USN carriers.
plawolf
Lieutenant General
Parking planes behind the jet deflector would have blocked access to the elevator. Using the unused parking spot would have blocked all the tow cars and munitions carts in, so would have impeded operational flexibility.
The fact those spots were left un-occupied showed that this was a snapshot of real operational practice, rather than just being a staged, let's see how many planes we are get in one shot, pure PR photo op.
plawolf
Lieutenant General
You can clearly see footage from the video clips being abruptly cut just as weapons start poking their noses out.
I think there was a deliberate policy to censor all shots of armed J15s. A few frames/shots might have splipped through, but most such footage seems to have been suppressed.
As for jet engine shop, well as I and others have said before, it should be perfectly feasible to use the elevators for engine tests. Not ideal, but then they don't have the real estate of a super-carrier to play around with, so priorities need to be adjusted and sacrifices made.
plawolf
Lieutenant General
Now that we have high-res image of Liaoning with 13 J15 on board we can clearly see there is ample of room between the edge of landing runway and J15 park next to it on the stern side.
Those 2 J15 park next to the port side need to go for simultaneous take off and landing operation.
Plenty of room behind the jet deflector
One of the port J15s may need to go, but they could possibly get away with keeping the other there.
That would be the perfect sport to park a fully fuelled up J15 with buddy refuelling pod, so it would be ready to go at very short notice to top up J15s already in the air if there was any sort of situation which would prevent them from landing straight away (snapped/ fowled arrest wire, crash bird on deck etc).
Being fully fuelled, and possibly also carrying drop tanks, that tanker config J15 will need the longer run up from the second launch poition, so it will only be a very short taxi distances for it to be in the launch position ready to go.
The port alert fighter will either need to taxi off onto the angled deck to make way, or just launch itself if anyone is on critically low fuel.
Hendrik_2000
Lieutenant General
I have question to popeye or any other old hand Is this picture below with red and black ribbon square Ordnance elevator or Fueling station
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