Crisis in the Ukraine
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TerraN_EmpirE
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The Geneva convention does allow for use of POWs as labor, its simply a question of the type and rules of treatment for the POWs. The rules ban directly using them in military services, and extreme labor like mining or building bridges. Simple labor like digging ditches, subsistence farming, and general labor is allowed as long as the treatment conforms to the rest of the Conventions.
Jura The idiot
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a moment ago, while checking on Naval Affairs in the Indian and Pacific Oceans, I found out
the DDG-71 official:
and the Romanian vessel first served in the RN as
(understandably, not the sunk HMS Coventry)
the DDG-71 official:
and the Romanian vessel first served in the RN as
(understandably, not the sunk HMS Coventry)
The root problem is that Ukraine has been run for a score of oligarchs ever since 1991. It has now been run into the ground and is faced with the problem of explaining the shooting down of MH17.
checkpoint near Mariupol
[video=youtube;meizohz-Rxg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meizohz-Rxg[/video]
I understand there is work on the coast, probably on extending the port, seeing the concrete objects.
Do I translate correctly that someone painted on one of them "No War"?
That missile shown in the last minute: did I see rudders at the end of it? What type of missile is it?
An R-17 tactical ballistic missile?
The lecture from the separatist commander is more interesting. They let these captured Kiev soldiers go homr without doing a prisoner exchange.
Good for a change to see live Kiev soldiers who get to go home to their families instead of being mass buried in unmarked graves by the side of the roads and listed as MIA.
The lecture from the separatist commander is more interesting. They let these captured Kiev soldiers go homr without doing a prisoner exchange.
Good for a change to see live Kiev soldiers who get to go home to their families instead of being mass buried in unmarked graves by the side of the roads and listed as MIA.
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Jura The idiot
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thank you, SampanViking
I disagree on the basis of my personal ... prejudice? as for too many years (I was 17 and a half to 18 years old when the Communistic Regimes crumbled in Central Europe) I had been hearing about how peaceful the Kremlin politics is (here even in kindergardens children were encouraged to imitate Picasso's Peace Dove) and at the same I had been taught "why it was necessary" to go into for example
or
and your post kind of reminded me of those times, "perfect justification" given ... I noticed, though, that a little problem had recently appeared in Russia itself, with a non-Kremliv TV station collecting a list of Active Duty Russian Soldiers (not the "volunteers on holidays", but those "who didn't return from exercises")
(it's sad so I just counted: 16 KIA in Ukraine, then randomly chose the story of two of them)
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related to the last part, but in English:
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I think there is a whole area of story here just waiting to be told.
I think it became very clear very early on, that so much of the actions of the Maidan Installed Government were designed to provoke Russia into a Georgia style intervention and for reasons already stated. I think that it is also safe to assume, that given that, on no account was Putin going to allow that to happen, except in the final resort and then it would have been the full monty, as Russia would have had nothing else to lose.
There is a huge difference between Individual regular servicemen volunteering (even being given extended leave to do so) and entire formations crossing the border under orders for combat operations. For all the sound and fury, I seriously doubt that has happened, as to do so, would undermine the position Putin has been determined to maintain and a company would sink it, just as sure as would a Full Army Group.
My deep suspicion is also that one of the reasons why the Novorossiyans were able to turn the tide against the odds, is because the primary objective of the senior command of Ukrainian forces was to provoke the Russian Federation, rather than simply defeat a rebel militia. Due to that, almost insane operational decisions were made in a failed gambit that has cost and will continue to cost them dear.
One of the provocations; which has been fully recorded during the conflict, has been the constant shelling of Russian territory from the Ukraine. Russia declared that they would fire back at offending units, back in June/July and I have no doubt that they have done. It would however, need a very high level of proof to promote those actions to support the accusations of direct fire support from across the border, which have previously been made.
Finally, I keep reading the question, mainly (but not exclusively) from US citizens, how exactly could a ragtag, drunken, pot bellied, local militia defeat the National Ukrainian army? To this I reply: in exactly the same way as a bunch of ragtag yankee doodle rebels managed to defeat the British Empire some two hundred and forty years ago.
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That's good and is not a surprise for me to see why as well. The Rebels are under a tight budget and supplies for its own forces already. Keeping POWs requires more men to guard them and not to mention feeding them as well. Releasing the POWs is a quicker and easier way to ease the strain and responsibility on keeping them alive and healthy.
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