Crisis in Egypt & Middle East!

Re: Crisis in Egypt!

ToxSic said:

I watched 2 chinese news accounts and frankly giving the 'revolts happening in egypt but wont touch why with 100 meter stick' still points at the basic event in egypt. Reporting 'overwhelmingly' on the 'glorious democratic liberation' (sounds familiar) is no better than reporting 'underwhelmingly'; both is used/trying to draw attention away from something; misleading.

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Well said. True wisdom is rarely found in the sources of "conventional wisdom", whether it is the NY Times of the People's Daily.

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AssassinsMace said:

. Or how about in 1965 where the US and Australian backed Indonesian government masscred 500,000 to a million Chinese in less than a month. In that situation US pressure was used to "influence" Indonesia to deal with its communist problem pushing them to just kill anyone who was Chinese. ?

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1/ Something provoked them (perhaps a bit of mischief making on the part of China?)

2/ The relationship between the Chinese and Indonesia populace has always been problamatic and still is, while most of the killed were regarded as ethnic Indonesian

3/ Fortunately some Chinese were able to flee back to the land of a true Peoples Democracy aka China, where a few years earlier up to 40 million Chinese had died as a result of the policies of a genocidal Mao through the implementation of the Great Leap Forward, or by more conventional means.

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Mr T said:

...........Oh, and that most countries in the Middle East are friendly with the US, apart from Syria and Iran. Iran is also going to have a protest, but don't be surprised if it's suppressed as with the previous ones.

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Most of US's friends in the ME are dictators. Before worrying about protests in Iran, here's one today in one of US's 'friends', Bahrain.
Doesn't the USN has a command center there ? We can expect some serious sh*t to hit the fan if/when the protests there gain momentum and the Shia majority gains real democracy.




"Small-scale clashes have been reported from parts of Bahrain amid heightened security over planned protests by the kingdom's disgruntled Shia majority.

Protesters have called for a "Day of Rage" to be observed on Monday, inspired by anti-government uprisings in Egypt and Tunisia.

Helicopters circled over the capital Manama, where protesters were expected to gather in the afternoon, and there was greater police presence in Shia villages.

At least 14 people were injured in clashes overnight and on Monday, news agencies reported.

The reports said police used tear gas and rubber bullets to disperse marchers in the mostly Shia village of Newidrat in the southwest region of the island kingdom - a key Western ally. The marchers were demanding the release of those detained during earlier protests.

Nabeel Rajab of the Bahrain Centre for human rights told Al Jazeera: "We are only asking for political reforms, right of political participation, respect for human rights, stopping of systematic discrimination against Shias.

"All the demands are to do with human rights and nothing to do with the ruling family and their regime."

However, he warned that if the government resorted to violence then the people might be forced to even demand for a regime change.................................."

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bladerunner said:

1/ Something provoked them (perhaps a bit of mischief making on the part of China?)

2/ The relationship between the Chinese and Indonesia populace has always been problamatic and still is, while most of the killed were regarded as ethnic Indonesian

3/ Fortunately some Chinese were able to flee back to the land of a true Peoples Democracy aka China, where a few years earlier up to 40 million Chinese had died as a result of the policies of a genocidal Mao through the implementation of the Great Leap Forward, or by more conventional means.

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Wow, are you honestly trying to justify a genocide?

Re: Crisis in Egypt!

solarz said:

Wow, are you honestly trying to justify a genocide?

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No Im not try ing to justify geonocide and am just as appalled on how the situation turned out as any decent person. On assuming that most have a understanding on the background that lead up to the events, though coloured by their views, I decided to be as brief as possible, thus somewhat appearing a little callous.
THe whole of SE Asia was jumpy with the thought of Chinese inspired communist insurrections. The situation in Indonesia got out of hand and I suspect at grass root level, many disgruntled indigineous Indonesians , used the opportunity for some misguided payback.

As you are no doubt aware that Im not kindly dispossed towards the CCP so i probably use the opportunity to make a snipe at them at the appropriate occasion, but perhaps i over do it.

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Too many posters getting way to excited in their posts - calm down please

Re: Crisis in Egypt!

bladerunner said:

No Im not try ing to justify geonocide and am just as appalled on how the situation turned out as any decent person. On assuming that most have a understanding on the background that lead up to the events, though coloured by their views, I decided to be as brief as possible, thus somewhat appearing a little callous.
THe whole of SE Asia was jumpy with the thought of Chinese inspired communist insurrections. The situation in Indonesia got out of hand and I suspect at grass root level, many disgruntled indigineous Indonesians , used the opportunity for some misguided payback.

As you are no doubt aware that Im not kindly dispossed towards the CCP so i probably use the opportunity to make a snipe at them at the appropriate occasion, but perhaps i over do it.

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You want to go back in history on why their was tension between Chinese and Indonesians? It goes back to the Opium Wars where the British used Chinese merchant vessels to ship their opium to addict people so they can make money. So when the indigenous population started to get angry at how opium was destroying their people, the British pointed to the Chinese merchant vessels. In the massacre in 1965, the people killed were mostly those have been living there since before communism in China. So make all your hypocritical excuses all you want. Fact is the tension betweeen the Chinese and Indonesians was all the fault of the British and the West as with the majority of conflicts and tension today in the world.


Speculation as an excuse. We'll remember how that's a reason for murdering people. You think that logic only applies to the Chinese?

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bladerunner said:

No Im not try ing to justify geonocide and am just as appalled on how the situation turned out as any decent person. ................

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No person with any decency would have made the mistake of trying to use a genocide to score some cheap points like what you did.

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Schumacher said:

No person with any decency would have made the mistake of trying to use a genocide to score some cheap points like what you did.

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He claims to be Chinese and he lives in part of the world where these anti-Chinese pogroms have been the worst. Be careful what you wish for...

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AssassinsMace said:

He claims to be Chinese and he lives in part of the world where these anti-Chinese pogroms have been the worst. Be careful what you wish for...

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You are quite welcome to live in your world of continual finger pointing and playing the perpetual blame game, but IMO it doesn't make your current arguement any more convincing then all your previous ones. Anyway its time we to flagged it before the mods get really annoyed.