Could non-chinese join PLA?

pugachev_diver said:

...including 钱学森 and 邓稼先, they were literally like China's Oppenheimer and Von Brawn. Without them, we wouldn't see China still having the territories it is having today. It would be still like pre-WWI, which is torn and Western Powers each having a piece of China.
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Well said, pal.

The PLA talents expansion project, aims to PEOPLE. By "PEOPLE" it dose not matter the citizenship, the colour of skin, or anything else that makes the talent "under the thumb" in anywhere else of the world - but the talent must be 人民子弟 of China.

Too few qualifies.

Nowadays it is pretty easy for any ethnic Chinese to join PLA, even those with citizenship abroad. It is still pretty hard to just become a foot soldier, because there is no point. But if you are an expert in a certain field, you can easily get a job in the PLA. For example, if you have served in the Navy SEAL (highly unlikely, but just using this for an example) and Green Beret, or experienced pilot, or someone with experiences of certain technology, of course they will hire you. But if you are just an average joe, like everyone else here, there are another billion men waiting in line, why would we be chosen.

Speaking of this, just curious, what's BD Popeye's specialty?

Speaking of this, I have recently just read an article about an updated policy of the PLA. It is said that now foreigners can join the PLA's R&D sector, including those involved with sensitive technologies. They will now use law and contracts. Even if you are a foreigner, as long as you have expertise in something, you can be hired. You will be trusted when you sign the contract.
I guess the hidden line is that if you cheat me, you will be hunted until you die...

Honestly speaking, this is far more tolerant and welcoming than the so called the land of the free. We rarely see any foreign and minority engineers in the sensitive sectors. Although the Chinese are the most educated population in the US, the percentage of them in the arms sector is probably the lowest. (If my memory serves me correctly, it is 55% percent of the population have at least college degrees if you include all Asians, 85% and above if you only count the Chinese)

The only time I have ever seen a Chinese guy in the sensitive sector is probably that dude in the Mars rover program. He was the one that read the live reports from the monitors. But even so, he had to wear the star and striped flagged tie to show his loyalty to his American masters. The other is Leroy Chiao, but he gets promoted far slower than other officers that have experience in space.

Speaking of this, just curious, what's BD Popeye's specialty?

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I explained that in this post below.

http://www.sinodefenceforum.com/announcements/grand-pubah-speaks-3-4915.html#post144963

Does anybody know what is the percentage of women in the PLA? And if their role is comparable to women's role in the States. I have come across a newpaper article that claims that China has the most female troops in the world. Is this to be believed? Sorry for asking the question here, but I don't have enough expertise to earn my thread post. But I thought it might be interesting to some of you given that questions of equality and citizenship are often lumped together. thanks a bunch.

jklo1996 said:

Does anybody know what is the percentage of women in the PLA? And if their role is comparable to women's role in the States. I have come across a newpaper article that claims that China has the most female troops in the world. Is this to be believed? Sorry for asking the question here, but I don't have enough expertise to earn my thread post. But I thought it might be interesting to some of you given that questions of equality and citizenship are often lumped together. thanks a bunch.

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It is undeniablly TRUE, China got the most male troops and the most female troops, cause China got the most population of the world. (But I don't really know whether India got the 2nd largest troops of the world or not. lol)

Number is just a statistic. Of the "role comparable to US", I guess not. China GOT actual front line female troops and they can kill man 101 different ways as foot soldier, and as operators of weapon platforms... but that is a very small portion, compare to US. (the % among "operational troops")

This is simply different culture I believe. While US emphasis on "everyone can serve their country equally", Chinese considering war is a waste of life, and while "wasting", better starting from the more cheap men rather than the precious women.

Regarding the actual % of women in PLA? I bet even the DoD of China don't have a precise data. Many supporting roles (civilian roles) held by men and women, who's being given actual ranks, it is very "troblesome" to count these posts either as military or civilian personnel. One of the "Chinese Characteristic".

It's clear that China does allow non-ethnic Chinese to serve in the armed forces. But you might be able to tell when you watch Chinese military parades, honor guards and other formal ceremonies. The US seems to make more of an effort to show the diversity within it's own armed forces.

Would the Chinese Military's image improve if they made more of an effort to display the non-Han Chinese integrated into high profile military parades, honor guards and other formal ceremonies?

The US seems to make more of an effort to show the diversity within it's own armed forces.

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There is no effort. That is just how it has been since the end of WWII when racial discrimination started to end in the US military. As most of you know the US is a very racially diverse nation.

ABC78 said:

It's clear that China does allow non-ethnic Chinese to serve in the armed forces. But you might be able to tell when you watch Chinese military parades, honor guards and other formal ceremonies. The US seems to make more of an effort to show the diversity within it's own armed forces.

Would the Chinese Military's image improve if they made more of an effort to display the non-Han Chinese integrated into high profile military parades, honor guards and other formal ceremonies?

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bd popeye said:

There is no effort. That is just how it has been since the end of WWII when racial discrimination started to end in the US military. As most of you know the US is a very racially diverse nation.

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Since you memtioned, I say only one sentence and stop further Off Topic:

1950's Korea war, the US have "Black company" (a whole company which were constituted all by black people) - That is more a "control measure" rather than "racially diverse".


Regarding "non-Han Chinese integrated into high profile military parades" I guess it is like "Gee, I can not differentiate Chinese and Japanese people" - MANY other ethical (non-Han) Chinese people, having a "more or less the same" face of Han people, they participate every aspect of Chinese society, including Military Parades. - It's just you (even me) can not differentiate them without look into their IC.

"How many non-Han people in PLA" is actually not-that-relevant to this topic (of which the Finnish guy started years ago)

Get the citizenship, get the Hukou 户口 in WHATEVER way, and (if you like) get some good connection with the recuriting officers (in whatever way), so they would PASS YOU (let you pass) the "security clearance" 政审, you can be a PLA soldier / personnel.

It is just INSANELY DIFFICULT for a non-China-born "naturalisation citizen" to pass the security clearance 政审 - if you are not "space-shuttle key developer" kind of "talent". - We just have enough local "fresh meat", no urgency to "import".

Since you memtioned, I say only one sentence and stop further Off Topic:

1950's Korea war, the US have "Black company" (a whole company which were constituted all by black people) - That is more a "control measure" rather than "racially diverse".

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My apoligies you are correct..the army was ordered to desegregate in 1948(?) they did not do start to do so until 1951.

from wiki.

At the end of June 1950, the Korean War broke out. The U.S. Army had accomplished little desegregation in peacetime and sent the segregated Eighth Army to defend South Korea. Most black soldiers served in segregated support units in the rear. The remainder served in segregated combat units, most notably the 24th Infantry Regiment. The first months of the Korean War were some of the most disastrous in U.S. military history. The North Korean People's Army nearly drove the American-led United Nations forces off the Korean peninsula. Faced with staggering losses in white units, commanders on the ground began accepting black replacements, thus integrating their units. The practice occurred all over the Korean battle lines and proved that integrated combat units could perform under fire. The Army high command took notice. On July 26, 1951, the US Army formally announced its plans to desegregate, exactly three years after Truman issued Executive Order 9981.

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楼主，我是特意从万里之外的中国来看你的哦~

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