Sad there's no way for China to sue Western media for libel/defamation. Maybe that's why democracies are cracking.
Coronavirus 2019-2020 thread (no unsubstantiated rumours!)
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Both Pfizer and Moderna data have been peer reviewed and published in NEJM. I’ve posted the published articles numerous times before.
Israel’s analysis using real world data they gathered from the general public is also consistent with the published data.
AssassinsMace
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For the longest time I read that Sinovac was the only one that was being peer reviewed and published in the Lancet. Now they say none of the Chinese vaccines have been peer reviewed.
All the vaccines have papers published on different phases of their development. You often have to look for their codenames.
One of Sinopharms early papers was in June (they did it on macaque monkeys):
Sinovac's Science paper (also macaques) :
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AssassinsMace
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I'm no expert so I'm only going by what "experts" say. I read early on that Sinovac was the only one that was being peer reviewed. It was from the US media. Sanjay Gupta of CNN who doesn't seem to be political in his reporting was the most recent person maybe less than a month ago who said to viewers like he was reminding people that the data coming out is still from the companies producing these vaccines so there's room for skepticism if the data is accurate. Dr. Fauci and Dr. Birx were early seen as being trustworthy but then you can see later political pressure being applied where they had to find a middle of road answer for questions they were being asked. Like I said, I'm no expert but I can see pressure and influence being applied to say certain things meaning there's some measure of manipulation of the facts going on.
Yeh I don't really know the timeline that well.
It isn't surprising for China to come out with animal or phase1/2 results before others due to discovering the virus first.
AssassinsMace
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It's as easy as just replacing the US or the West with China... Just like first during the Haiti Earthquake there was an accusation by Haitians that Western rescue teams were only there looking for their citizens and then all of the the Western media accused that of China. Then there was the #MeToo movement in the US then all of the sudden the China had a problem where the BBC is still talking about it in China recently in an article...
plawolf
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So, it's looking like the Chinese vaccination strategy will pay off big-time.
I think it's clear that currently, the PRC is choosing to prioritize vaccine export over internal use in a time of extreme demand. They've exported close to half a billion doses while only using 50 million doses domestically.
Why? Well certainly, I think the Chinese are reaping considerable economic and political benefit. Case in point, Brazil's Bolsonaro, who's stopped his anti-China spree and conversely, even publicly thanked China on Twitter for vaccine help.
However, in return, are the Chinese losing valuable vaccination time domestically? No, I'm increasingly inclined to think not.
First, winter's ending and the weather's heating up, I don't see any reason for a vaccination rush. Chinese preventative measures have controlled COVID extremely well during the warmer months. The government just needs to do a vaccination push by the end of year.
Two, more importantly, we're seeing COVID mutations proliferate. Given the ineffective COVID prevention measures elsewhere in the world, I think it's a given that dangerous COVID mutations that evade current vaccines, like the South African variant, will come to dominate.
We'll all need booster shots. The Chinese might as well wait, evaluate, and vaccinate with updated vaccines next winter, while at the same time benefiting from vaccine exports now.
Very impressed with Chinese governance in recent years, and this COVID response is no different.
I think it's clear that currently, the PRC is choosing to prioritize vaccine export over internal use in a time of extreme demand. They've exported close to half a billion doses while only using 50 million doses domestically.
Why? Well certainly, I think the Chinese are reaping considerable economic and political benefit. Case in point, Brazil's Bolsonaro, who's stopped his anti-China spree and conversely, even publicly thanked China on Twitter for vaccine help.
However, in return, are the Chinese losing valuable vaccination time domestically? No, I'm increasingly inclined to think not.
First, winter's ending and the weather's heating up, I don't see any reason for a vaccination rush. Chinese preventative measures have controlled COVID extremely well during the warmer months. The government just needs to do a vaccination push by the end of year.
Two, more importantly, we're seeing COVID mutations proliferate. Given the ineffective COVID prevention measures elsewhere in the world, I think it's a given that dangerous COVID mutations that evade current vaccines, like the South African variant, will come to dominate.
We'll all need booster shots. The Chinese might as well wait, evaluate, and vaccinate with updated vaccines next winter, while at the same time benefiting from vaccine exports now.
Very impressed with Chinese governance in recent years, and this COVID response is no different.
