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j17wang

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Latest polls indicate that 47% Brazilians won't take the Chinese vaccine, and 22% Brazilians won't take any vaccine. A few months back, most Brazilians don't have a problem taking any vaccine including Chinese vaccine but their president decided to wage a war on Chinese vaccine and the public opinion and sentiment have changed ever since.

Lets just put it this way. 53% of Brazilians are quite pragmatic. But if 47% don't want CoronaVac, I'm sure there are hundreds of millions in Indonesia, Pakistan, or Bangladesh who will take it instead. The Brazilians have proved to China that its vaccine works, and China thanks Brazil for their contribution. If some people in Brazil does not want a vaccine that was also the fruit of THIER labour and sacrifice, not a problem either.

China should give medals to all the people at Butantan, just to piss Bosonaro off further.
 

localizer

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Whether or not Brazil buys it is not the main objective.

Chinese pharma's main objective was to get test subjects since there were no cases domestically.


China could probably offer to vaccinate all the Bahrain and UAE citizens for free simply for allowing testing there.
 

KYli

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Lets just put it this way. 53% of Brazilians are quite pragmatic. But if 47% don't want CoronaVac, I'm sure there are hundreds of millions in Indonesia, Pakistan, or Bangladesh who will take it instead. The Brazilians have proved to China that its vaccine works, and China thanks Brazil for their contribution. If some people in Brazil does not want a vaccine that was also the fruit of THIER labour and sacrifice, not a problem either.

China should give medals to all the people at Butantan, just to piss Bosonaro off further.

It is funny that Brazilians especially Jair Boslonaro wanted to procure Astra vaccine which is probably the least desirable one at the moment. The only advantage of Astra vaccine is the price.
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j17wang

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As I mentioned before, this is all due to politics. Brazil could release the interim data a few weeks ago but decided against it. Not sure if this means that they won't release the data on December 15 as expected.

They don't need to release the data then on December 15. The next million batch that was supposed to go to Sao Paolo can just go to Jakarta or Istanbul instead.... Indonesia has 1,600 people in their trials and Turkey has 13,000, they should be hitting interim point within the week.

I am very glad china diversified Phase III trials months ago, most countries are trying to release data ahead of time. I totally think the UAE announcement was not sanctioned by Sinopharm... but its glad to play along.
 

AndrewS

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It is funny that Brazilians especially Jair Boslonaro wanted to procure Astra vaccine which is probably the least desirable one at the moment. The only advantage of Astra vaccine is the price.
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The AstraZeneca one is $4
But Sao Paolo has signed contracts for Chinese vaccines at $2.
 

KYli

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The AstraZeneca one is $4
But Sao Paolo has signed contracts for Chinese vaccines at $2.

$2 per dose is for vaccine bulk which Brazil Butantan needs to have individual vials filled and packed. And the special price includes discount for being the first country to allow large clinical trial. Media reports that $10 per dose is the standard price for large purchase.
 

j17wang

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Another thing to keep in mind:

Cansino had 5,000 volunteers in Phase III trials in Saudi Arabia since August and 10,000 in Pakistan since September. Interim analysis for Cansino is 50 cases, and they are expecting to hit that faster as well (this article is 3 weeks old).

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Brazil literally can only play this game for maybe 1-2 more weeks before interim results from other countries start rolling in.
 

KYli

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Just as expected, Brazil Anvisa is playing politics. EUA that granted by Chinese government for China isn't Anvisa concern. Anvisa just needs to focus upon the data from Butantan and review it like a health regulator instead of playing game.

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BRASíLIA - The Brazilian health regulator Anvisa on Monday accused China of using criteria that "are not transparent" to win emergency approval of its coronavirus vaccine CoronaVac, which is in the final phase of trials in Brazil.

"The Chinese criteria applied to grant the authorization of emergency use in China are not transparent," Anvisa said in a statement.

The regulator, which sent a group of technicians to inspect the Sinovac plant in Beijing in early December, also warned against the "influence of issues related to geopolitics" in promoting vaccines.

CoronaVac, produced by the Chinese private laboratory Sinovac in association with the Butantan Institute of Sao Paulo, has been the target of attempts to discredit it by Brazil's far-right President Jair Bolsonaro, who sees it as a tool of both the governor of the state of Sao Paulo, Joao Doria -- considered as potential rival in the next election -- and of the Chinese Communist regime.

Bolsonaro even referred to it as "Joao Doria's Chinese vaccine," in an attempt to belittle it.

Doria announced on Monday that the Butantan Institute had changed its plans and that it would present Anvisa with a request for definitive authorization, rather than for emergency use for CoronaVac in Brazil, where the pandemic has already claimed more than 181,000 lives and infected almost 7 million people.

The application will be submitted on December 23, he said.

Doria said last week that he expected to start administering the vaccine on January 25 in his state of 46.2 million inhabitants, the most populous in Brazil.

The Brazilian government has said that it has guaranteed access to 300 million doses of vaccines, mainly the drug developed by the University of Oxford in alliance with the AstraZeneca group and the Brazilian health institute Fiocruz, and the international initiative Covax Facility.

It also negotiated another 70 million doses earmarked from Pfizer. The government presented a vaccination "plan" last week, with priority sectors to receive it, but without a start date for the campaign.

The Supreme Court ordered the government Monday to announce the start date before Wednesday at 1650 GMT.
 

AndrewS

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$2 per dose is for vaccine bulk which Brazil Butantan needs to have individual vials filled and packed. And the special price includes discount for being the first country to allow large clinical trial. Media reports that $10 per dose is the standard price for large purchase.

Remember that AstraZeneca has publicly committed to providing its vaccine at a cost price of $2-$3 for developing countries.

That is the price that similar Chinese vaccines will be compared against, so that $10 figure doesn't look likely at all.
 
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