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Which brands of Chinese vaccines have they approved?
plawolf
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As if more evidence is needed of how rushed the American vaccines are.
How this was missed during the all 3 phases of the trial is raising massive red flags for me on what kind of pre-screening might have been done for those trials.
Two frontline UK NHS staff have had allergic reactions to the Pfizer vaccine. Its probably only down to luck that no one with a life-threateningly server allergy has had the vaccine yet else they might have died.
As it is, this is already dealing a massive blow to the already shaky public confidence in Covid vaccines, so expect more people to opt out or at least delay getting the shots.
It’s like watch a fucking slow motion car crash on a loop, as this was so predictable and preventable, but the west is still rushing in headlong at full pelt because they are desperate to win the vaccine race and because of how fucked they are due to their shitawful handling of the initial outbreak and endless, obvious bad choices throughout.
At this point I am genuinely worried that western governments, the US and UK especially, will somehow fuck up the vaccine stage so badly that we manage to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory and prolong this pandemic misery needlessly
How this was missed during the all 3 phases of the trial is raising massive red flags for me on what kind of pre-screening might have been done for those trials.
Two frontline UK NHS staff have had allergic reactions to the Pfizer vaccine. Its probably only down to luck that no one with a life-threateningly server allergy has had the vaccine yet else they might have died.
As it is, this is already dealing a massive blow to the already shaky public confidence in Covid vaccines, so expect more people to opt out or at least delay getting the shots.
It’s like watch a fucking slow motion car crash on a loop, as this was so predictable and preventable, but the west is still rushing in headlong at full pelt because they are desperate to win the vaccine race and because of how fucked they are due to their shitawful handling of the initial outbreak and endless, obvious bad choices throughout.
At this point I am genuinely worried that western governments, the US and UK especially, will somehow fuck up the vaccine stage so badly that we manage to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory and prolong this pandemic misery needlessly
People with a history of significant allergic reactions should not have the Pfizer/BioNTech Covid jab, regulators say.
It came after two NHS workers had allergic reactions on Tuesday.
The advice applies to those who have had reactions to medicines, food or vaccines, the Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency said.
The two people had a reaction shortly after having the new jab, had treatment and are both fine now.
They are understood to have had an anaphylactoid reaction - much milder than anaphylaxis - which tends to involve a skin rash, breathlessness and sometimes a drop in blood pressure.
Both NHS workers have a history of serious allergies and carry adrenalin pens around with them.
Professor Stephen Powis, medical director for the NHS in England, said both individuals are recovering well.
"As is common with new vaccines, the MHRA have advised on a precautionary basis that people with a significant history of allergic reactions do not receive this vaccination after two people with a history of significant allergic reactions responded adversely," he said.
Dr June Raine, head of the MHRA, said it was only right to take this step now that "we've had this experience".
Reactions like this are uncommon, but do happen with other vaccines, including the annual flu jab.
Similar reactions were not seen in the clinical trials for this drug in which more than 20,000 people were vaccinated, although people with a history of allergic reactions would not have been recruited.
Several thousand people were vaccinated on Tuesday in hospital clinics on the first day of the UK rollout of the new Covid jab.
GPs 'ready to go'
Meanwhile, the NHS has announced the vaccination programme will be expanded out to GP surgeries from next week.
Doses are expected to be delivered to around 200 GP surgeries initially to allow them to start on Tuesday. The over-80s will be invited first.
Once the first 200 GP practices have received their doses the programme will be expanded out to more than 1,000 surgeries - with each local area having a designated site.
It means most patients will be invited to a GP centre that is not their usual one.
Similar arrangements are being made in the rest of the UK.
Dr Richard Vautrey, GP leader from the British Medical Association, said GPs were "ready to go".
"We have a wealth of experience in delivering vaccines - and will be able to do millions of people a week. It is really dependent on supply and how quickly we can get our hands on it."
The vaccine can still not be taken into care homes or to house-bound patients because of the strict rules around its storage and distribution. It has to be kept in ultra-cold storage until a few days before its use, so only patients who can come into the surgeries will be able to get vaccinated initially.
The NHS is hoping to get clarification on how it can move the vaccine around soon.
The vaccine will be delivered to GPs from the network of hospital hubs which are storing the jab in special freezers.
They will then have three-and-a-half days to use their doses, with each centre getting an initial delivery of 975 doses.
'The fightback has started'
Thousands of patients were vaccinated on Tuesday in hospital clinics - this included the over-80s and NHS and care home staff.
The 70 hospital hubs across the UK have taken delivery of 800,000 doses, but another delivery of more than one million is expected to be shipped from Belgium by next week to allow the community programme to get under way.
By the end of the year, the government hopes to have had around 5 million doses delivered in total - enough for 2.5 million people as two doses of vaccine are needed for full protection.
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image captionMargaret Keenan was the first person in the world to be given the Pfizer jab outside of trials
Health Secretary Matt Hancock said the vaccine programme marks the "start of the fightback against our common enemy, the coronavirus".
He stressed people did not need to apply for the vaccine, adding the NHS would be in touch with those eligible and urged them to "please step forward for your country". The vaccine is not compulsory.
Mr Hancock went on to warn that there was "still a long march ahead", saying there were "worrying signs" of the virus growing in Essex, London and Kent.
The UK is the first country in the world to start using the Pfizer jab.
The first recipient was Margaret Keenan, who turns 91 next week. She was given the jab on Tuesday at University Hospital Coventry and described it as the "best early birthday present".
Personally, i'm concerned about my parents who watch and listen to taiwanese DPP propaganda and may opt to go for the less than impressive Pfizer vaccine over the Cansino vaccine-assuming Australia will even allow Chinese vaccines into the country.
Should be safe in that aspect as mRNA should not permanently integrate into then genome and will disappear after a set time.
Not too worried about any of these vaccines really since none of them are attenuated vaccines which used weakened live viruses instead of virus corpse and parts.
China (and others) had a few mishaps with live attenuated vaccines before and the industry constantly avoids it.
Indeed, the Indian health minister who got COVID most likely got it from an insufficiently weakened coronavirus vaccine
China has super rabies running around because of similar situation
he took a suboptimal inactivated vaccine.
I checked and there’s 1 company in Massachusetts doing live attenuated. Idk why they would take the risk.
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Overall I would say it’s fine to take the vaccines since no one seems to be severely hurt or dying directly as a result of it. The long term effects should be minimal as long as it’s not live attenuated vaccine.
Remember, many of (a quarter) the scientists working at these companies are Chinese lol. Tho they often got bully Indian boss. Damn English, racism and bamboo ceiling.
Remember, many of (a quarter) the scientists working at these companies are Chinese lol. Tho they often got bully Indian boss. Damn English, racism and bamboo ceiling.
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