Coronavirus 2019-2020 thread (no unsubstantiated rumours!)

[Gatekeeper]

Typical vaccine development takes years, if not over a decade, if you can actually find a good one at all. Rolling one out in less than a year means "rushed", in my opinion. Such high efficiency at >90%, for virtually every vaccine tested also surprises and, to some extent, worries me.

Although these vaccines have been rushed, I honestly don't see any other ways out of this mess. It's such a nightmare all around the world. Like I've said before, a part of me wants to take it now and be done with it although I'm advocating wait and see... It's so frustrating...

Thanks for that. So it is rushed. Ok we all understand that. Therefore i believe government have a duty to inform public that, instead like the BBC playing politics with our lives.

But was more worrying for me is your expert opinion of the greater them 95% efficiency rate worries you. It looks to me the government's are less than frank regarding this rate. It is a political decision to rush out this vaccine.

I, therefore are like you. I'm not sure whether to take this vacinnes when it comes to my turn.

 

[vesicles]

It is a simple math. Is the side-effect of the Vaccine worse than the causality of Covid and the lockdown? If not, even it is rushed or not perfect, still better than the current solution. And US don't have time to wait and see. If the daily new cases keeps growing at this speed, it would only take a few more months to get herd immunity, even though at the cost of about a million lives.

I agree with you... At the current pace, the vaccines are the better solution. I'm not sure about the herd immunity though. You will need about 70% of the whole population infected to get herd immunity. Sweden tried that some months ago. I think the infected population plateaued at ~40% and would not go up again (not entirely certain of this %). During that time, their hospitals have been overwhelmed. So they had to stop. I think the entire health care system will be long gone before herd immunity can be achieved in any country.

 

[vesicles]

Thanks for that. So it is rushed. Ok we all understand that. Therefore i believe government have a duty to inform public that, instead like the BBC playing politics with our lives.

But was more worrying for me is your expert opinion of the greater them 95% efficiency rate worries you. It looks to me the government's are less than frank regarding this rate. It is a political decision to rush out this vaccine.

I, therefore are like you. I'm not sure whether to take this vacinnes when it comes to my turn.

I seem to change my decision several times a day. In morning, I may feel that I'm doing ok currently and should wait a while longer. Then at noon, I get so frustrated and want to stop by my clinician colleagues' offices and ask them to give me a shot NOW... Who cares about side effects. I just want this whole mess to be over...

 

[Gatekeeper]

I seem to change my decision several times a day. In morning, I may feel that I'm doing ok currently and should wait a while longer. Then at noon, I get so frustrated and want to stop by my clinician colleagues' offices and ask them to give me a shot NOW... Who cares about side effects. I just want this whole mess to be over...

Do you get choice? In the UK, they are prioritizing vaccines. At the moment, it's only front line staff in hospitals and over 80s only. So even if I wanted one, I won't be given one.

You sound like my friend I play golf with. Because we've been lock-down for a month (I don't know why golfvis locked down, when other contact sports like football is allowed). We went out for the first time yesterday. He was depressed about the whole pandemic thing. Where as I'm ok with it.

I understand people kissing their livelihood is not good, but he's a pensioner. It doesn't affect him financially. And my job is fine because I'm a lecturer. I guess. So unless it affect yourself. You should stay positive I think. Don't get yourself down. We can't change it. It is what it is.

 

[vesicles]

In my opinion, herd immunity only works on paper. Just think of the common flu. We never care too much about the flu. And we have never spent any significant effort to curb flu. If herd immunity can be achieved, flu is the most probable candidate. Yet, we have never been able to get any kind of meaningful herd immunity on the flu virus. The reason may be many-fold... If we can't get herd immunity with the flu, what are the chances with COVID-19?

 

[vesicles]

Do you get choice? In the UK, they are prioritizing vaccines. At the moment, it's only front line staff in hospitals and over 80s only. So even if I wanted one, I won't be given one.

You sound like my friend I play golf with. Because we've been lock-down for a month (I don't know why golfvis locked down, when other contact sports like football is allowed). We went out for the first time yesterday. He was depressed about the whole pandemic thing. Where as I'm ok with it.

I understand people kissing their livelihood is not good, but he's a pensioner. It doesn't affect him financially. And my job is fine because I'm a lecturer. I guess. So unless it affect yourself. You should stay positive I think. Don't get yourself down. We can't change it. It is what it is.

Well, I belong to the health care system. So I have never gotten any time off during the whole pandemic. During the height of the pandemic back in March, April and May, they gave us a letter showing that we are essential health care workers and are exempt from any kind of lockdown. Since our associates need to be in the lab to keep the essential research going, we the faculty must be onsite as well. I actually agree with this decision. If my staff has to go to the lab, I simply cannot hide at home while they are exposed to danger. It is my duty to be with them. So we have been working non-stop during this whole thing. Since my office is next to a whole bunch of clinical faculty members of the departments of internal medicine and OB/GYN, it's been nerve-wracking to see them come back from the clinical side of the hospital, to be honest...

However, since I don't treat patients my self (I'm a basic scientist), I am not prioritized to get the vaccine. Believe me, the Chair of my department tried to argue with the hospital and see if we can get the vaccines early, but with no avail... It looks like I'm now at this very moment in the mood of wanting that damn vaccine shot now... Let's see how long it will take me to switch to the "OMG! watch out for the hidden side effects" mood...

 

[supersnoop]

Don't know if we would ever find out conclusively the origin of the coronavirus but all evidence points to the fact that the virus is circulating thoughout the world before December. Italian scientists said that antibodies were found in September 2019 that means the virus is circulating in the summer of 2019. CDC and some other studies in the US found antibodies in December in multiples studies. These all are very strong evidence of widespread circulation of the coronavirus before Dec.

For what it's worth, someone I know from the UK had a positive antibody test in March 2020. The only time they remember being sick was December 2019 while in the USA.

 

[KYli]

Singapore has only a few cases per day. All people on board are tested negative before boarding. All cruise workers are quarantine 14 + 14 days. Not sure what more they can do.

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[Hendrik_2000]

The United Arab Emirates has given a Chinese COVID-19 vaccine the green-light for general use. UAE officials say the jab, produced by Sinopharm, has an efficacy rate of 86 percent, after a review of Phase III clinical trials.

Meanwhile

UK reports adverse allergic reactions to Pfizer vaccine on first day of rollout

British authorities are advising people with significant allergies not to get Pfizer-BioNTech's COVID-19 vaccine. This comes after two people reported adverse effects.

 

[Shaolian]

Wait, how many people has the UK vaccinated in order to produce that two cases of adverse effects? Has the vaccinated numbers already surpassed those that has participated in their trials?