Coronavirus 2019-2020 thread (no unsubstantiated rumours!)

[Gatekeeper]

As if more evidence is needed of how rushed the American vaccines are.

How this was missed during the all 3 phases of the trial is raising massive red flags for me on what kind of pre-screening might have been done for those trials.

Two frontline UK NHS staff have had allergic reactions to the Pfizer vaccine. Its probably only down to luck that no one with a life-threateningly server allergy has had the vaccine yet else they might have died.

As it is, this is already dealing a massive blow to the already shaky public confidence in Covid vaccines, so expect more people to opt out or at least delay getting the shots.

It’s like watch a fucking slow motion car crash on a loop, as this was so predictable and preventable, but the west is still rushing in headlong at full pelt because they are desperate to win the vaccine race and because of how fucked they are due to their shitawful handling of the initial outbreak and endless, obvious bad choices throughout.

At this point I am genuinely worried that western governments, the US and UK especially, will somehow fuck up the vaccine stage so badly that we manage to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory and prolong this pandemic misery needlessly

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Yes this is Great. Talk about rushed. But I was listening/watching the BBC news last night. All the fanfare and propaganda surrounding the first person to revived this vaccine.

The reporter went on to say other vacinnes are being developed. Especially in China and Russia, she added. I thought so far so good. Then she says, they are not ready because they haven't passed the trial stages. I thought what! And she said that with such a straight face.

Oh, so the British vaccine have passed all stages then? The very fact the government push passed the final stage trial using government powers to rush out counts then. Talk about muniplating the narratives.

Imagine if China did that.

 

[vesicles]

As if more evidence is needed of how rushed the American vaccines are.

How this was missed during the all 3 phases of the trial is raising massive red flags for me on what kind of pre-screening might have been done for those trials.

Two frontline UK NHS staff have had allergic reactions to the Pfizer vaccine. Its probably only down to luck that no one with a life-threateningly server allergy has had the vaccine yet else they might have died.

As it is, this is already dealing a massive blow to the already shaky public confidence in Covid vaccines, so expect more people to opt out or at least delay getting the shots.

It’s like watch a fucking slow motion car crash on a loop, as this was so predictable and preventable, but the west is still rushing in headlong at full pelt because they are desperate to win the vaccine race and because of how fucked they are due to their shitawful handling of the initial outbreak and endless, obvious bad choices throughout.

At this point I am genuinely worried that western governments, the US and UK especially, will somehow fuck up the vaccine stage so badly that we manage to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory and prolong this pandemic misery needlessly

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I'm not surprised. This is why I have been suggesting to wait a while before you take the vaccines. This kind of things is bound to happen when a new vaccine/drug is introduced to the general public. No matter how thorough your clinical trials are, it's still a minor example and so much smaller than the general public. When you suddenly have a huge population exposed to this new agent, you will see new adverse responses that you will never see in any trial. This is what happens with a vaccine that has undergone a normal and thorough evaluation. ALL vaccines against COVID-19 have been rushed. So be prepared to see more adverse responses.

 

[KYli]

More proofs that the coronavirus is circulated in the US and elsewhere in or before Dec.

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[Gatekeeper]

I'm not surprised. This is why I have been suggesting to wait a while before you take the vaccines. This kind of things is bound to happen when a new vaccine/drug is introduced to the general public. No matter how thorough your clinical trials are, it's still a minor example and so much smaller than the general public. When you suddenly have a huge population exposed to this new agent, you will see new adverse responses that you will never see in any trial. This is what happens with a vaccine that has undergone a normal and thorough evaluation. ALL vaccines against COVID-19 have been rushed. So be prepared to see more adverse responses.

When you said "ALL vaccines against COVID-19 have been rushed."

So in your expert opinion. Should they've rushed it? And have China rushed it? And shouldn't they have warn the public that this is in fact a rushed vaccine?

 

[Gatekeeper]

More proofs that the coronavirus is circulated in the US and elsewhere in or before Dec.

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I think, (And it's just an opinion) that increasingly, evidence have been pointing to the origin of covid lies somewhere else.

But it wouldn't stop the likes of Trump still calling the China virus. How ironic, since he blame China so much. The "China virus" actually cost him his much prized second term.

 

[PeoplesPoster]

^From the chart above, COVID-19 seems as infectious as polio and smallpox, and less so than measles and rubella. So a vaccination rate of 80% is probably good enough. I remember China is planning to produce 600 million doses by the end of this year.

can you provide a source on the 600 million doses figure?

 

[KYli]

I think, (And it's just an opinion) that increasingly, evidence have been pointing to the origin of covid lies somewhere else.

But it wouldn't stop the likes of Trump still calling the China virus. How ironic, since he blame China so much. The "China virus" actually cost him his much prized second term.

Don't know if we would ever find out conclusively the origin of the coronavirus but all evidence points to the fact that the virus is circulating thoughout the world before December. Italian scientists said that antibodies were found in September 2019 that means the virus is circulating in the summer of 2019. CDC and some other studies in the US found antibodies in December in multiples studies. These all are very strong evidence of widespread circulation of the coronavirus before Dec.

 

[KYli]

can you provide a source on the 600 million doses figure?

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[vesicles]

When you said "ALL vaccines against COVID-19 have been rushed."

So in your expert opinion. Should they've rushed it? And have China rushed it? And shouldn't they have warn the public that this is in fact a rushed vaccine?

Typical vaccine development takes years, if not over a decade, if you can actually find a good one at all. Rolling one out in less than a year means "rushed", in my opinion. Such high efficiency at >90%, for virtually every vaccine tested also surprises and, to some extent, worries me.

Although these vaccines have been rushed, I honestly don't see any other ways out of this mess. It's such a nightmare all around the world. Like I've said before, a part of me wants to take it now and be done with it although I'm advocating wait and see... It's so frustrating...

 

[KevinG]

Typical vaccine development takes years, if not over a decade, if you can actually find a good one at all. Rolling one out in less than a year means "rushed", in my opinion. Such high efficiency at >90%, for virtually every vaccine tested also surprises and, to some extent, worries me.

Although these vaccines have been rushed, I honestly don't see any other ways out of this mess. It's such a nightmare all around the world. Like I've said before, a part of me wants to take it now and be done with it although I'm advocating wait and see... It's so frustrating...

It is a simple math. Is the side-effect of the Vaccine worse than the causality of Covid and the lockdown? If not, even it is rushed or not perfect, still better than the current solution. And US don't have time to wait and see. If the daily new cases keeps growing at this speed, it would only take a few more months to get herd immunity, even though at the cost of about a million lives.