Coronavirus 2019-2020 thread (no unsubstantiated rumours!)

In addition. This today:

The editor of the prestigious Lancet medical journal said a study Trump cited to justify pulling out of the WHO doesn't exist



And here is the Statement from THE LANCET. US blatantly lies again.

Statement from The Lancet in response to President Donald Trump’s May 18 letter to Dr Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, Director-General of the World Health Organization

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supercat

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What China will do next in the fight against COVID-19, from Xi Jinping's address to WHO:
— China will provide US$2 billion over two years to help with COVID-19 response and with economic and social development in affected countries, especially developing countries.

— China will work with the UN to set up a global humanitarian response depot and hub in China, ensure the operation of anti-epidemic supply chains and foster "green corridors" for fast-track transportation and customs clearance.

— China will establish a cooperation mechanism for its hospitals to pair up with 30 African hospitals and accelerate the building of the Africa CDC headquarters to help the continent ramp up its disease preparedness and control capacity.

— COVID-19 vaccine development and deployment in China, when available, will be made a global public good. This will be China's contribution to ensuring vaccine accessibility and affordability in developing countries.

— China will work with other G20 members to implement the Debt Service Suspension Initiative for the poorest countries. China is also ready to work with the international community to bolster support for the hardest-hit countries under the greatest strain of debt service, so that they could tide over the current difficulties.
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How China’s Pledge to Give Its Virus Vaccine Could Go:
Chinese President Xi Jinping has pledged to make any effective vaccine against the coronavirus that is developed by China accessible and affordable globally as a “public good.” His vow came after some drug makers suggested that countries providing funding for their work will get first dibs, spurring a debate over “vaccine nationalism.” If successfully executed, China’s move could help defuse criticism of its early response to a disease, now called Covid-19, that first emerged in the Chinese city of Wuhan and has since killed more than 315,000 people around the world. It also could boost China’s global standing, especially among poorer countries, as U.S. President Donald Trump threatens to cut off American funding for the World Health Organization.

1. What’s the status of China’s vaccine development effort?

China is a frontrunner in developing coronavirus vaccines. As of mid-May, it had five candidates in human trials and over 2,000 people enrolled in phase II trials, which are meant to show if the vaccine is safe and can elicit an immune response from the body. No serious side effects had been reported as of that point, according to Zeng Yixin, vice minister of the National Health Commission. The vaccines are being developed by Chinese companies in partnership with academic institutions and backed by state resources, including the military. To gauge its efficacy, a vaccine will need to go through phase III testing in a place where the coronavirus is still spreading rapidly to see if it keeps vaccinated people free of infection compared to those who didn’t get shots. Since the spread has apparently been checked in China, two Chinese developers, CanSino Biologics and Sinovac Biotech Ltd., are in talks with other countries including Canada to conduct testing.

2. How would China distribute a vaccine globally?

China has worked with the WHO and Gavi, a global non-profit organization focused on vaccine delivery that’s backed by the Gates Foundation, to become an influential player in international vaccination programs in the past decade. But before they would distribute it, any Covid-19 vaccine must first get a WHO stamp of approval known as “pre-qualification,” which assures developing nations that the vaccine has been deemed safe and effective. The amount of time that takes varies case by case.

3. Has China done something of this scale before?

The closest China may have come to global vaccine distribution on this scale is the 30 million doses of Japanese encephalitis shots it supplied from 2014 to 2018 through Gavi to countries such as Cambodia and Nepal. It also delivers more than 700 million shots per year at home. Up to 95% of vaccines administered in China are produced domestically, reflecting its vast manufacturing capacity. It also has recent experience in developing a vaccine for a novel disease and then rapidly administering it widely -- in chickens. In 2017, China’s successful vaccination program to immunize hundreds of millions of poultry against the H7N9 virus saw cases of infection drop by over 90% and helped stop the spread of the disease to humans.

4. What are the challenges?


A 2018 scandal that uncovered instances of Chinese vaccine-makers cutting corners in production has undermined public confidence and given the industry a bad global reputation. After the incident, Beijing passed new laws carrying hefty fines to police the industry. There’s also the question of finding other countries willing to allow phase III testing. Several times Chinese vaccine efforts went nowhere because the diseases they targeted were stamped out or never broke out widely within China. For example, efforts by China National Biotec Group and Sinovac to develop a SARS vaccine fizzled when the virus disappeared after infecting more than 8,000 people in 2003.

5. What happens if China isn’t first?

It could still play a big role. A promising effort by American drug maker Moderna Inc. employs an experimental method in which the vaccine carries the genetic sequence of the virus in order to stimulate the body’s immune response. There’s no precedent involving this technique, however, so it’s unclear if such a vaccine could be manufactured at scale quickly to meet demand. In contrast, most of the five Chinese vaccines in development are based on inactivated viruses -- a relatively low-tech and time-tested method for which significant production capacity already exists. Even if China does not cross the finish line first, it may still find it easier and faster to churn out millions of doses for global distribution.
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Situation in the U.S. on May 19:
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Situation in China on May 19, excluding HK, Macau, and TW:
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B.I.B.

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First, a friendly reminder, you better use multiple quotes rather short successive replies as this goes against forum rules. Then, I don't understand on what purpose Trump is touting preventives and cures of Covid19 while he is not a doctor. It's not his job! Finally, HCQ is for malaria, if everyone believes Trump, it might cause panic buy of HCQ. Supplies will be short and malaria patients will be in danger.

I read that the Trump family has a financial interest in the company that makes the stuff.
 

SPOOPYSKELETON

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Even the South China Morning Post has said that patient zero dates as far back as November 17. So how could sudden revelations of a CIA warning from late November be proof of conspiracy? US intelligence sited information gathered from China. If true they would in fact push the time line earlier and leave questions..

This is wrong for the following reasons.

1) China determined the November date by testing previous samples. US Intelligence would have no way of accessing these samples since they are in China. These samples were NOT COLLECTED the day US intel allegedly warned Trump.

2) These sudden revelations are proof of a conspiracy because they are bullshit as detailed above. The intel agencies are deliberately making stuff up for god knows what reason. The Russiagate fiasco (now proven to be completely fake) was US intel and US media lying nonstop to the public for 3 years. They can do this stuff and get away with it.
 

xiabonan

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I suggest we 'censor' posts and comments on conspiracy theories regarding the origin of the virus in this thread, unless there's solid scientific (eg published by medical journal) or media reports from reputable sources such as the BBC.

It's a waste of everybody's time to keep digging the rabbit hole.
 

shanlung

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I am sick of this Conspiracy Theory bull shit so I am going to Debunk this video as the pile of it is.
Oh my god this this hilarious!! That stupid robot voice..... CIA secret Bioweapons lab... give me a break everyone knows it’s a DOD Bio warfare facility Why the hell would the CIA need to be involved.

Ft. Derrick has a history of leaking into the environment... you mean conspiracy theories about the US inventing HIV there. In fact that’s the whole CIA link which was back tracked to a KGB operation Infektion. A disinformation campaign. The biggest real issue was chemical disposal. It’s a super fund site.
oh but the 2001 Anthrax....
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Farther more they keep calling Anthrax a virus. It’s a bacterium, Mold.
but now we jump to Convid 19...
oh and the Wuhan lab also has a history of leaking in 04 it leaked SARS causing a reflare of it.
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Not FACT supposition. fact can be proven. Supposition is Theory.
June 2019 a out break of SARS 2 in a Maryland Retirement home. Convid 19 wasn’t identified till far later in Wuhan Not the US. Cases of the retirement home cannot be proven as being of Convid 19.
fact there was a breach at Ft. Dertrick in June however by Army and CDC statements no agents were released.
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The releases were untreated waste water.
Oh the lab was later reopened.
Supposition Maryland should have had more cases of Convid 19. Based on what? Some model? Guess what Models can be Wrong. They are projections based on guess work.
Fact the Greenspring Assisted living facility From June to 2019 July only Had 63 residents out of over 250 fell ill of a respiratory illness. The CDC found evidence of Bacteria. 3 died of the illness. 3 out of 63 Out of over 250! Given the effects that have been seen with confirmed Neocorona outbreaks in Nursing homes and assisted living facilities this outbreak is downright tame.
A second facility did suffer an additional infection but those were far smaller and seem unrelated. The video however would have you believe these must have been related.
oh yes the loaded question “Why was China able to identity it in a few days”
Timeline review China the first official reports were for 2019 12 31 with identification on 2020 1 12.... Dr. Li however talked on Wichat about it on 30 21 2019 but first documented hospitalization was 2019 12 16 By 2020 1 1 China had over 266 cases. By 2020 1 10 they had sequenced the genome. It was almost a month. From first hospitalization to sequencing. But wait. The reason Li was talking about it was because he thought the symptoms resembled SARS 1.0. Where as the US had no real experience with SARS 1.0, and let’s face it the facilities in question are Nursing homes. Where the elderly are cared for. A third of the casualties of Convid 19 have been in Nursing homes.
OMG a Convid case in Japan....
Yet wait... the first confirmed case was January2020!!
Oh But Mayor Michael Melham says he had it in November... Excuse me although he has tested positive for the Antibodies that don’t mean jack ships! Many of those tested have reported no symptoms... but he said he got sick! And he may have remember November is cold and flu season. He likely had a case of the flu. It is possible to be Asymptotic with Convid 19. Yet the Video blesses him like a saint:rolleyes:
Frances first case was confirmed December not earlier. You can check that.
Coronavirus: France's first known case 'was in December'
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And Japan as well.
Wait what is this bull ship there are 8 Types of Corona Virus. Virus often mutate.
The old claim was that the US had two strains this is not entirely false just misrepresenting the cases on the west coast of the US are linked more closely to the Washington state cases which in turn are directly linked to Wuhan Those on the East cost are from More afar having cycled around the world. Because the US East and West coasts have a large sparely populated area between them the two coasts get there own strains
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The. Fun with made up projections pulled out of the video makers arse.


Video @ 5:16 “It was genetically Engineered to kill The Chinese people.”:eek:
Wait What?
IT WAS GENETICALLY ENGINEERED TO KILL THE CHINESE PEOPLE”


Because his said it and the MSM and most of the members here love to ridicule everything about him. However some doctors when asked have said it’s not a political problem but just one to talk with his doctor about.

FOX!!! DIE!!o_O

Hmmm . . .

What you said is about as valid as your claimed odds of American being struck by lightning instead of by covid19.

TerraN_EmpirE said:
Sky rocketing? In Italy in Iran yes. in nations like Japan and South Korea perhaps. compared to their relative population. And the fact that South Korea refused to close the boarder to Chinese flights despite calls to do just that.
On the US you are spinning. It’s at 1/654,000. The odds of being struck by lightning are better.




I suggest we 'censor' posts and comments on conspiracy theories regarding the origin of the virus in this thread, unless there's solid scientific (eg published by medical journal) or media reports from reputable sources such as the BBC.

It's a waste of everybody's time to keep digging the rabbit hole.

BBC is hardly considered as reputable by me. By you perhaps.
You consider the tweets from D to be reputable as well?



@TerraN_EmpirE
1. None of us here believe in that stuff either, except maybe shanlung.


2. If somehow a Chinese Trump became Chinese president, I'd dedicate my life to removing him from power. There's nothing to ridicule because it's deleterious to have a leader like that.

You should speak for yourself and not take yourself as spokesman for everyone as well.
I seen enough of the allegations from D and Pompeo and members of 5eyes being screamed about here.
It be refreshing to see this from yet another angle.

Both got smoke. But the one on Fort Detrick got sight of flickering of flames , and dots that can be joined.
From D and Pompeo and gang, I only see more smoke and mirror and dog and pony show.
 
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I don't know why the media believes Trump is taking hydroxychloroquine. The guy just can't admit he's wrong so he keeps perpetuating the drug because of ego. You think a narcissist is going to risk his life? A narcissist would love other people risking their lives knowingly taking poison because he told them to in order to feel like he's the one in control. People die because of him must give him a high.

Most likely Trump was being fed placebo and he would never know the difference. What the medical staff did not know was he will announce it to the world. Anyway whatever the scenario, This episode has been negligent and irresponsible from multiple parties and the damage has been done and irreversible.
 
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