Coronavirus 2019-2020 thread (no unsubstantiated rumours!)

plawolf

Lieutenant General
It is not about reform. US just wants to force WHO to blame China for COVID-19 for political purpose.

The US absolutely HATES it that the WHO dared to praise China’s handling of COVID19.

This blackmail attempt by the US to try to turn the WHO into its own political puppet must be resisted by the rest of the world.

Asia was able to effectively contain COVID19 despite being eight next door to China because they didn’t try and play political BS games, they heeded China’s warnings and followed China’s advice.

Europe and America lost total control of the situation and allowed it to develop into a pandemic because their media and political leaders were too busy slipping in their own drool when they heard China was hit, and spent all the time China bought them dreaming up ways to try and beat China while she was still down reeling from the virus.

Any time a nation imposed selective travel restrictions based on the traveler’s nationality rather than their travel history, that’s not about the virus but about political point scoring.

Yet that is exactly what America and Europe did in February and early March, all the while organising PR stunt ‘rescue’ flights to deliberately break quarantine and bring back nationals from the heart of the outbreak while advising all other citizens in China to return.

That wasn’t about the virus, it was all to screw with China and to try to maximise the economic damage done before the virus went away. That was their initial calculation, and now they are trying to blame China for their own foolish political games and irresponsible behaviour.

I think there is a very good chance that had Europe and America treated this outbreak serious from the start and listened to The advice given by China and the WHO, COVID19 would never have developed into a pandemic.

Now, unless America pulls is finger out and start treating this virus seriously, it will go from pandemic to becoming a new seasonal re-occurring outbreak.
 

TerraN_EmpirE

Tyrant King
@TerraN_EmpirE
1. None of us here believe in that stuff either, except maybe shanlung.


2. If somehow a Chinese Trump became Chinese president, I'd dedicate my life to removing him from power. There's nothing to ridicule because it's deleterious to have a leader like that.

On no2. That’s not the point of this thread is it? We are supposed to be talking about Convid 19.
Other political issues are for the post virus. Things like Australia trade, Supply chain realignment these were coming one day. Many manufacturers banked in China as it was cheaper to build there however that’s not the case anymore and with the lockdown many are seeing more reason to not all throw their eggs in the same basket.
The Pandemic has accelerated them and will cause changes. Yet just flip through the last few pages how many posts purely are political, or bashing or Trump insults. We have rules against such because they turn threads into Star chambers. Where no countrary voice can be said.
President Trump suffers from what Prince Philip once called “Dontopedalogy” the Science of putting ones foot into their own mouth. However at the same time some of what seems like lies has been proven not to be. Or was simply true to a point like much of politics. Yet the logic applied is he must be removed no matter the cost is exactly how people become the thing they often claim to despise.

My point was to debunk that video and the claims made by it. It was a smear and had been pointed to as exactly what it is Conspiracy Theory and disinformation meant to incite anti American sentiment well drawing away any questions of mismanagement during the Convid 19 pandemic by nations “Victimzed” by the evil CIA and Americans with their Lysol. repeatedly videos and claims like it have been posted here and removed for the same rationale they are conspiracy theory.
Like rancid meat they are regurgitated over and over again. For the same reason they claim to fight back against.
That's a lot of circumstantial evidence in public domain. Let's wait and see if and where the investigation leads.

Even the South China Morning Post has said that patient zero dates as far back as November 17. So how could sudden revelations of a CIA warning from late November be proof of conspiracy? US intelligence sited information gathered from China. If true they would in fact push the time line earlier and leave questions.
The WHO of course only became aware January 1 and said they didn’t have evidence of Human to human spread on January 14.
The Taiwanese CDC claims to the contrary that it was sure of such and sent an Email to the WHO asking about the possibility of a SARS relationship.
Human to human transmission wasn’t stated fact by the WHO until January 21. After days 7 days the world thought it was fine. Despite the fact this has been cooking since late November. Two days later Wuhan was under siege.

The WHO suffers the same problem as any other UN watchdog, its blind on its own. Only able to parrot what it’s told by the nations involved. It can’t say anything that runs contrary or ask hard questions. Garbage in Garbage out.
Early on even President Trump was praising China for its handling of Convid 19. Today however can anyone be praised for anything here? The lockdowns, the deaths, the smears. The unemployment globally boarders on losses last seen in the Great Depression.
 

Gatekeeper

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Trump is taking Hydroxychloroquine. IF he is not infected, why does he want to take the pill? He wanna use it as a vaccine alternative or he wants to signal other US citizens to do the same? To me, Trump is not only insane but dangerous!

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Well, if at first you don't succeed, try and try again! First come the disinfectant, then ultraviolet lights and now This! Or was it this first. Lol
 

Gatekeeper

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US threaten to permanently cut all funding to WHO. So who is politicizing the world health organization?

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Trump is not happy that US at is contribting 15% of the WHO budget. (but it has the 15% of the world economy). He is further incensed that US is contributing more than China (Never mind China is still classified as a developing country), and believe that contribution should give it the right to have proportionate say in how the WHO is run. It is particularly unhappy that it perceived China is having much more influence.

Never mind that the funding was supposed to be given out of the goodness of the donor's hearts. By countries for humanitarian reasons, and are therefore given without preconditions and grace.

That is something a person without empathy and compassion will ever understand.
 

Gatekeeper

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Australia obviously overplayed their hand pandering to the US. They are disrespecting and belittling China if they think China is not going to respond.

Absolutely, I believe they felt their raw materials are so important to China, that China wouldn't dare to jeopardise their supply chain to do anything about Australian's behaviours towards them.

Australia did not sell less to other countries. China just buy more and more from Australia, thus contributing to Australia's economic growth and the prosperity of her citizens. If the government and people of Australia do not understand that, they deserve what is coming to them.

What a bunch of idiots turning a WIN-WIN relationship into a WIN-LOSE one.

Spot on, all this increases are net growth. Simply because of China. It is not at the expense of others. From 6% to a third! That's some increase. And it comes with no strings attached! No pre-condition. And unlike China's increases with the USA during the same period. Substitutes can easily be found. Where as, it is difficult for the USA to do without made in China stuff. China could easily do without made in Australia produce. Furthermore, as seen from my post earlier, other countries, USA cough, are eager to step in and take up the slack!

Talk about biting the hands off that feeds you!
 

Gatekeeper

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I am sick of this Conspiracy Theory bull shit so I am going to Debunk this video as the pile of it is.
Oh my god this this hilarious!! That stupid robot voice..... CIA secret Bioweapons lab... give me a break everyone knows it’s a DOD Bio warfare facility Why the hell would the CIA need to be involved.

Ft. Derrick has a history of leaking into the environment... you mean conspiracy theories about the US inventing HIV there. In fact that’s the whole CIA link which was back tracked to a KGB operation Infektion. A disinformation campaign. The biggest real issue was chemical disposal. It’s a super fund site.
oh but the 2001 Anthrax....
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Farther more they keep calling Anthrax a virus. It’s a bacterium, Mold.
but now we jump to Convid 19...
oh and the Wuhan lab also has a history of leaking in 04 it leaked SARS causing a reflare of it.
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Not FACT supposition. fact can be proven. Supposition is Theory.
June 2019 a out break of SARS 2 in a Maryland Retirement home. Convid 19 wasn’t identified till far later in Wuhan Not the US. Cases of the retirement home cannot be proven as being of Convid 19.
fact there was a breach at Ft. Dertrick in June however by Army and CDC statements no agents were released.
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The releases were untreated waste water.
Oh the lab was later reopened.
Supposition Maryland should have had more cases of Convid 19. Based on what? Some model? Guess what Models can be Wrong. They are projections based on guess work.
Fact the Greenspring Assisted living facility From June to 2019 July only Had 63 residents out of over 250 fell ill of a respiratory illness. The CDC found evidence of Bacteria. 3 died of the illness. 3 out of 63 Out of over 250! Given the effects that have been seen with confirmed Neocorona outbreaks in Nursing homes and assisted living facilities this outbreak is downright tame.
A second facility did suffer an additional infection but those were far smaller and seem unrelated. The video however would have you believe these must have been related.
oh yes the loaded question “Why was China able to identity it in a few days”
Timeline review China the first official reports were for 2019 12 31 with identification on 2020 1 12.... Dr. Li however talked on Wichat about it on 30 21 2019 but first documented hospitalization was 2019 12 16 By 2020 1 1 China had over 266 cases. By 2020 1 10 they had sequenced the genome. It was almost a month. From first hospitalization to sequencing. But wait. The reason Li was talking about it was because he thought the symptoms resembled SARS 1.0. Where as the US had no real experience with SARS 1.0, and let’s face it the facilities in question are Nursing homes. Where the elderly are cared for. A third of the casualties of Convid 19 have been in Nursing homes.
OMG a Convid case in Japan....
Yet wait... the first confirmed case was January2020!!
Oh But Mayor Michael Melham says he had it in November... Excuse me although he has tested positive for the Antibodies that don’t mean jack ships! Many of those tested have reported no symptoms... but he said he got sick! And he may have remember November is cold and flu season. He likely had a case of the flu. It is possible to be Asymptotic with Convid 19. Yet the Video blesses him like a saint:rolleyes:
Frances first case was confirmed December not earlier. You can check that.
Coronavirus: France's first known case 'was in December'
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And Japan as well.
Wait what is this bull ship there are 8 Types of Corona Virus. Virus often mutate.
The old claim was that the US had two strains this is not entirely false just misrepresenting the cases on the west coast of the US are linked more closely to the Washington state cases which in turn are directly linked to Wuhan Those on the East cost are from More afar having cycled around the world. Because the US East and West coasts have a large sparely populated area between them the two coasts get there own strains
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The. Fun with made up projections pulled out of the video makers arse.


Video @ 5:16 “It was genetically Engineered to kill The Chinese people.”:eek:
Wait What?
IT WAS GENETICALLY ENGINEERED TO KILL THE CHINESE PEOPLE”
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the FAQ?

Race and nationality are not genetics.https://www.sapiens.org/body/is-race-real/
Genetically speaking I can have identical DNA to any human on earth I fact I am more likely to have identical DNA to someone of an other race than that same background. This statement is such horse crap it should have caused the video to have been stopped by those who watched it and to be flagged as both racist and inflammatory.
he is still in his counter factual claiming that the US strain is the oldes neglecting to mention that even as the video was made there were more than one strain.
next we move to his timeline claiming that the US had moved in late November to alert allies Of the coming epidemic in China... True.
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Yup it happened but then again. Lookback at the timeline. He insists that This popped up in late December 2019 however case Zero is believed to have December 1 2019. However it could have been earlier.
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December 1 or late November lines up. No conspiracy needed. Simply unreported cases that the CCP might not have realized were tripping a threat.
and here we go drawing lines to no dots the FDA and CDC blocked testing in February... did they?
No they didn’t they had issued contaminated tests and didn’t have enough of them. They wanted to issue working tests.
yet we have already seen how far this video maker wants to go.“IT WAS GENETICALLY ENGINEERED TO KILL THE CHINESE PEOPLE”
And here we are with the demonization and incitement of hatred... oh wait that what is that above. Calling it Wuhan virus? That’s where it was found does that mean Ebola is racist? China virus? That’s again where it came from isn’t it? My favorite is CCP Virus. That’s targeted to a group absolutely but the CCP isn’t the people.
as soon as tested started the US numbers of Convid 19 skyrockets... No really like how could we have know of cases before testing? A dip stick? That’s like saying there are significantly fewer car crashes on The Michigan 185 Highway . The island where M185 Is built has banned cars for a century! Of course cases shot up we were testing for them!
Again creating number from his arse. With no real basis in fact and bash the American President as the norm.
and in review conspiracy theory. As yet there is no solid proof of Convid 19 being man made or “WAS GENETICALLY ENGINEERED TO KILL THE CHINESE PEOPLE”.
What we have is classic conspiracy theories. Take some coninidence jumble the facts and add in preconceived notions. Mix in a dash of controversy mistakes early on shake spread liberally add in made up facts and figures and lather over nationalists


as with most conspiracy theories it asks you to believe a double theory. 1) that this was accidentally released in the US then 2) that it was intended to Hurt China. How could if the lab that created it be shut down they then improve it and release it on China? If it was released in the US by mistake first why didn’t the ethnic Chinese populations of the east coast suddenly keel over dead? Why has it killed all ethnicities or hit places like Iran if it was supposed to only kill Chinese people.

Because his said it and the MSM and most of the members here love to ridicule everything about him. However some doctors when asked have said it’s not a political problem but just one to talk with his doctor about.

FOX!!! DIE!!o_O

Terran. I don't think anyone here bought any of this. Otherwise there will be pages of replies on it!
 
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