Coronavirus 2019-2020 thread (no unsubstantiated rumours!)

[Gatekeeper]

Any time a nation imposed selective travel restrictions based on the traveler’s nationality rather than their travel history, that’s not about the virus but about political point scoring.

Yet that is exactly what America and Europe did in February and early March, all the while organising PR stunt ‘rescue’ flights to deliberately break quarantine and bring back nationals from the heart of the outbreak while advising all other citizens in China to return.

Lol. Do any one here remember my post of the British coach driver and the Japanese counterpart! Now that's classic! The point scoring went overdrive. How the British evacuated all their citizens, with all news media blazing their guns, and they forgot the poor coach driver!

 

[Canuck place]

On no2. That’s not the point of this thread is it? We are supposed to be talking about Convid 19.
Other political issues are for the post virus. Things like Australia trade, Supply chain realignment these were coming one day. Many manufacturers banked in China as it was cheaper to build there however that’s not the case anymore and with the lockdown many are seeing more reason to not all throw their eggs in the same basket.
The Pandemic has accelerated them and will cause changes. Yet just flip through the last few pages how many posts purely are political, or bashing or Trump insults. We have rules against such because they turn threads into Star chambers. Where no countrary voice can be said.
President Trump suffers from what Prince Philip once called “Dontopedalogy” the Science of putting ones foot into their own mouth. However at the same time some of what seems like lies has been proven not to be. Or was simply true to a point like much of politics. Yet the logic applied is he must be removed no matter the cost is exactly how people become the thing they often claim to despise.

My point was to debunk that video and the claims made by it. It was a smear and had been pointed to as exactly what it is Conspiracy Theory and disinformation meant to incite anti American sentiment well drawing away any questions of mismanagement during the Convid 19 pandemic by nations “Victimzed” by the evil CIA and Americans with their Lysol. repeatedly videos and claims like it have been posted here and removed for the same rationale they are conspiracy theory.
Like rancid meat they are regurgitated over and over again. For the same reason they claim to fight back against.


Even the South China Morning Post has said that patient zero dates as far back as November 17. So how could sudden revelations of a CIA warning from late November be proof of conspiracy? US intelligence sited information gathered from China. If true they would in fact push the time line earlier and leave questions.
The WHO of course only became aware January 1 and said they didn’t have evidence of Human to human spread on January 14.
The Taiwanese CDC claims to the contrary that it was sure of such and sent an Email to the WHO asking about the possibility of a SARS relationship.
Human to human transmission wasn’t stated fact by the WHO until January 21. After days 7 days the world thought it was fine. Despite the fact this has been cooking since late November. Two days later Wuhan was under siege.

The WHO suffers the same problem as any other UN watchdog, its blind on its own. Only able to parrot what it’s told by the nations involved. It can’t say anything that runs contrary or ask hard questions. Garbage in Garbage out.
Early on even President Trump was praising China for its handling of Convid 19. Today however can anyone be praised for anything here? The lockdowns, the deaths, the smears. The unemployment globally boarders on losses last seen in the Great Depression.

In the spirit of clarifying accurate information i would like to mention a few things about you're posts.

1. SCMP says the first patient was November 17. That's from retrospective analysis of viral infection data, you cannot extrapolate that it was detected at that time. We see pneumonias all the time, we do not do specific testing on all of them. Hindsight is 20/20 and in this case, this is an assumption of patient zero.

2. The CIA warning in November was actually debunked by the National medical intelligence head. They have stated repeatedly that the intelligence report pointing to November warning does not exist. So the fact that some people believe it could exist is more conspiracy then fact. If we are to accept no conspiracies then we can't accept thus one either.

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3. WHO tweeted that there were no signs of human to human transmission but on the same day told all members including the US that there were signs of LIMITED human to human transmission and to expect that this disease may have SUSTAINED human to human transmission. This fact was also reiterated by the Chinese CDC. It was a week later they there was sufficient evidence for SUSTAINED human to human. So you really can't say that the world thought it was fine, their health authorities were informed of limited human to human transmission.

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4. Taiwan asked the WHO about the new virus and if it was related to SARS. It made no mention of human to human transmission at all. They probably took a gamble that it was like SARS but did not present any evidence it human to human transmission either.

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[Gatekeeper]

In the spirit of clarifying accurate information i would like to mention a few things about you're posts.

1. SCMP says the first patient was November 17. That's from retrospective analysis of viral infection data, you cannot extrapolate that it was detected at that time. We see pneumonias all the time, we do not do specific testing on all of them. Hindsight is 20/20 and in this case, this is an assumption of patient zero.

2. The CIA warning in November was actually debunked by the National medical intelligence head. They have stated repeatedly that the intelligence report pointing to November warning does not exist. So the fact that some people believe it could exist is more conspiracy then fact. If we are to accept no conspiracies then we can't accept thus one either.

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3. WHO tweeted that there were no signs of human to human transmission but on the same day told all members including the US that there were signs of LIMITED human to human transmission and to expect that this disease may have SUSTAINED human to human transmission. This fact was also reiterated by the Chinese CDC. It was a week later they there was sufficient evidence for SUSTAINED human to human. So you really can't say that the world thought it was fine, their health authorities were informed of limited human to human transmission.

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4. Taiwan asked the WHO about the new virus and if it was related to SARS. It made no mention of human to human transmission at all. They probably took a gamble that it was like SARS but did not present any evidence it human to human transmission either.

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In addition. This today:

The editor of the prestigious Lancet medical journal said a study Trump cited to justify pulling out of the WHO doesn't exist

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Dear President Trump - You cite The Lancet in your attack on WHO. Please let me correct the record. The Lancet did not publish any report in early December, 2019, about a virus spreading in Wuhan. The first reports we published were from Chinese scientists on Jan 24, 2020.

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[Dolcevita]

I need new bicycle to avoid mta. Guess I have wait.

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[PanAsian]

I need new bicycle to avoid mta. Guess I have wait.

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Pretty disgusting that not until this pandemic was already well into raging did the MTA consider disinfecting their entire fleet every 24hrs. Even now contractor cleaners are whistleblowing that they are not being provided proper PPE to stay safe nor clean equipment to clean appropriately.

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[solarz]

Yet just flip through the last few pages how many posts purely are political, or bashing or Trump insults.

Trump can spread vicious, baseless slanders against China yet we are not allowed to call out his remarks because that somehow constitutes "country bashing"?

 

[localizer]

Well, cases are rising around me and social distancing and masks have been cancelled. All businesses open.

 

[solarz]

Well, cases are rising around me and social distancing and masks have been cancelled. All businesses open.

Get out, while you still can.

 

[adiru]

Trump can spread vicious, baseless slanders against China yet we are not allowed to call out his remarks because that somehow constitutes "country bashing"?

Trump is head of state of the Terrian Empire

He gets away with stuff on twitter that would get most people accounts hard banned, plus he isnt actually posting on sdf

 

[SteelBird]

Well, if at first you don't succeed, try and try again! First come the disinfectant, then ultraviolet lights and now This! Or was it this first. Lol

First, a friendly reminder, you better use multiple quotes rather short successive replies as this goes against forum rules. Then, I don't understand on what purpose Trump is touting preventives and cures of Covid19 while he is not a doctor. It's not his job! Finally, HCQ is for malaria, if everyone believes Trump, it might cause panic buy of HCQ. Supplies will be short and malaria patients will be in danger.