Coronavirus 2019-2020 thread (no unsubstantiated rumours!)

Hendrik_2000

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So far, I don’t find that scenario plausible. If the US military personnel brought the virus to Wuhan, then the virus started in the US. If that’s the case, the dominant strains in the US should be unique in themselves or similar to the ones in Wuhan. However, the American strains almost entirely came from Italy. And the Italian strains came from China. With the epidemiological evidence, it’s still clear to me that the virus started in China.

Also, for the US military personnel theory to work, then the wet market and Wuhan should be the sole starting location since the athletes only stayed at that location. However, experts have identified multiple cities throughout eastern, central and southern China as possible sources. If that’s the case, then this theory cannot stand anymore.

That is not true the American virus is of A type which is older than the Chinese virus which is of B type. You got it reversed The Italian on is of C variant and A variant. Nobody know who is patient 0 sofar So get off your predispose notion that China is the origin
 
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Colonel
That is not true the American virus is of A type which is older than the Chinese virus which is of B type. You got it reversed The Italian on is of C variant and A variant. Nobody know who is patient 0 sofar So get off your predispose notion that China is the origin

Well, please take a look at the epidemiological analyses of thousands of vital genomes discussed in this article

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Intrepid

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That is not true the American virus is of A type which is older than the Chinese virus which is of B type. You got it reversed The Italian on is of C variant and A variant. Nobody know who is patient 0 sofar So get off your predispose notion that China is the origin
The virus was discovered in China when it had long been present in other countries. The early warning system worked better in China than in other countries.
 

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That is not true the American virus is of A type which is older than the Chinese virus which is of B type. You got it reversed The Italian on is of C variant and A variant. Nobody know who is patient 0 sofar So get off your predispose notion that China is the origin

Here is the original article that you are talking about.

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And below is their description of the type A strain:

“There are two subclusters of A which are distinguished by the synonymous mutation T29095C. In the T-allele subcluster, four Chinese individuals (from the southern coastal Chinese province of Guangdong) carry the ancestral genome, while three Japanese and two American patients differ from it by a number of mutations. These American patients are reported to have had a history of residence in the presumed source of the outbreak in Wuhan. The C-allele subcluster sports relatively long mutational branches and includes five individuals from Wuhan, two of which are represented in the ancestral node, and eight other East Asians from China and adjacent countries. It is noteworthy that nearly half (15/33) of the types in this subcluster, however, are found outside East Asia, mainly in the United States and Australia.”

Half of the type A strain is still linked to Wuhan. They did point out that nearly half of the subtype with the C-allele mutations are found outside of East Asia. However, they didn’t say the travel and residence history of these patients. These data were obviously collected from patient samples early in the outbreak. Based on the case reports outside of China at the time (early days of the outbreak), most of the countries outside of China only tested people with travel history to China. That would means that these patients outside of East Asia should all have travel history to China.

Secondly, the original parent strain used in their study for comparing all the viral genomes was isolated from a Yunnan local bat species. And the authors of your article also said that the type-A strain evolved from this parent strain found in Yunnan bats. So how do you think a virus, that lives in a bat species local to central China of Yunnan province, managed to jump across half of China and the entire Pacific ocean and infect Americans? And while doing so, not touching a single Chinese in between? Did the Americans sneak into China and steal some Chinese bats and bring them back to the US? Then they infect their own people and went back to China? Uhhhh. How do you plan to prove any of these?
 

Intrepid

Major
Germany has 95 death per 1 mio. population, Sweden has 350 death per 1 mio. population. This shows the different assessment of how strongly the pandemic should be reacted to.
 

solarz

Brigadier
Trump must be very pissed with China, what with the spat with the Chinese American reporter, then the tweeter storm claiming all Chinese Americans are angry with China. When, in fact they are all angry with him for putting a target on the backs. Now, he claim he won't speak to President Xi. Way to act presidential. No wonder they call him man-baby.

One thing I noticed is that he always says him and President Xi have a great relationship, friends even. But no one ever believes that!

So he believe it is so easy to save Americans $500 billion per year. And yet it is so difficult to achieve without hurting your own economy. POTUS just doesn't get it!

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Trump threatens to cut off relations with China
New rhetorical blast comes as US increases criticism of Beijing over the coronavirus
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Donald Trump says he is not interested in speaking to Xi Jinping, his Chinese counterpart, in the near future

May 14, 2020 6:08 pm by
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in Washington
Donald Trump has warned that he could “cut off the whole relationship” with China, in the latest escalation of
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with Beijing as he increasingly blames China for the global spread of the coronavirus.
“There are many things we could do,” Mr Trump told Fox Business’ Mornings With Maria on Thursday. “We could cut off the whole relationship. Now if you did, what would happen? You’d save $500bn.”
It was unclear what that figure represented. Mr Trump was responding to a question about whether the US should refuse Chinese nationals student visas for sensitive science areas.

The White House in 2018
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from receiving student visas, but backed away from the idea pushed by Stephen Miller, a hardline White House aide who is close to Mr Trump.

The president has in recent weeks intensified his criticism of the Chinese government over the way it handled the disclosure of the virus, and has suggested that Beijing would be forced to pay a price.

Mr Trump did not explain what he meant by cutting off ties. But some officials want him to remove Chinese companies from US supply chains.

The president on Thursday also signed an executive order that authorises the US International Development Finance Corporation to provide loans to US industrial companies to shore domestic manufacturing related to the pandemic response.

Pressed on how he could force US companies to move their supply chains, Mr Trump told Fox Business: “One incentive, frankly, is to charge tax for them when they make product outside.”

Mike Pompeo, secretary of state, on Thursday called on China to stop
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related to US research into Covid-19, and urged China to be more transparent in providing information about the pandemic.

“While the US and our allies and partners are co-ordinating a collective, transparent response to save lives, the PRC continues to silence scientists, journalists, and citizens, and to spread disinformation, which has exacerbated the dangers of this health crisis,” Mr Pompeo said.

In his Fox Business interview, Mr Trump said he was looking “very strongly” at whether Chinese companies should be allowed to list on US stock exchanges if they did not follow US accounting rules. But he said he knew that there was a downside to such a move.

“What happens is, so we say, ‘you’re going to do this and you’re going to follow the rules of the New York Stock Exchange or Nasdaq’. What do they do? They say, OK, we’ll move to London or we’ll go to Hong Kong.”

Earlier this week, the White House pressured the main US federal employee retirement fund to
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to invest in Chinese companies, in what was a big victory for China hawks in Washington.

In a letter outlining its concerns, Robert O’Brien, national security adviser, pointed out that the Chinese government does not allow US auditors to audit the accounts of Chinese companies listed on US stock exchange

The president’s latest attack is part of a campaign that many experts believe will escalate as the
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approaches. In his 2016 race, Mr Trump frequently slammed China over its trade policies, but he has failed to make a significant dent in the US trade deficit with the country.

Asked about reports that China wanted to renegotiate the phase one trade deal that was signed earlier this year to ease the trade war between the countries, Mr Trump said he had no intention of reopening the pact.

“They said somewhere . . . they’d like to renegotiate the deal. We’re not going to renegotiate,” Mr Trump said.

The US president added that he was not interested in speaking to Xi Jinping, his Chinese counterpart, in the near future. “I have a very good relationship [with him] but . . . right now I don’t want to speak to him.”

China should just cut off all medical supplies to the US.
 

Intrepid

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my guess is European PR will have a problem with Sweden LOL which numbers to pull to "show how wrong" Swedish approach was
Germany has a population density of 233 inhabitants per square kilometer, Sweden has 23 inhabitants per square kilometer. This makes it a lot more difficult to keep distances in Germany. You can't just compare countries like that.

For example, the virus may have already arrived in Italy and France in October or November 2019 and could spread unnoticed. When did the virus reach Sweden?
 
Here is the original article that you are talking about.

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And below is their description of the type A strain:

“There are two subclusters of A which are distinguished by the synonymous mutation T29095C. In the T-allele subcluster, four Chinese individuals (from the southern coastal Chinese province of Guangdong) carry the ancestral genome, while three Japanese and two American patients differ from it by a number of mutations. These American patients are reported to have had a history of residence in the presumed source of the outbreak in Wuhan. The C-allele subcluster sports relatively long mutational branches and includes five individuals from Wuhan, two of which are represented in the ancestral node, and eight other East Asians from China and adjacent countries. It is noteworthy that nearly half (15/33) of the types in this subcluster, however, are found outside East Asia, mainly in the United States and Australia.”

Half of the type A strain is still linked to Wuhan. They did point out that nearly half of the subtype with the C-allele mutations are found outside of East Asia. However, they didn’t say the travel and residence history of these patients. These data were obviously collected from patient samples early in the outbreak. Based on the case reports outside of China at the time (early days of the outbreak), most of the countries outside of China only tested people with travel history to China. That would means that these patients outside of East Asia should all have travel history to China.

Secondly, the original parent strain used in their study for comparing all the viral genomes was isolated from a Yunnan local bat species. And the authors of your article also said that the type-A strain evolved from this parent strain found in Yunnan bats. So how do you think a virus, that lives in a bat species local to central China of Yunnan province, managed to jump across half of China and the entire Pacific ocean and infect Americans? And while doing so, not touching a single Chinese in between? Did the Americans sneak into China and steal some Chinese bats and bring them back to the US? Then they infect their own people and went back to China? Uhhhh. How do you plan to prove any of these?


Can we find out if any of the US military personnel have type A strain?
 
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