Coronavirus 2019-2020 thread (no unsubstantiated rumours!)

B.I.B.

Captain
Not sure what is A2 milk. Only exception was one of my niece that was raised with powder milk after eldest developed lactose intolerance and nut allergy. Not scientific but empirical result.

Also, perhaps the animal welfare groups prefer euthanization.

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Sigh what a waste.......

Don't want to derail the thread, but heres a few links that may help you get a better understanding of A2 milk and China's place within it.

1/The big players and where China fits in

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2/ A quick look at Synlait, Chinas biggest player in Dairy products and its role in the A2 Milk market in China

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3/ Very Heavy going as its Science orientated. It revolves around A2 testing in collaboration with Chinese universitys. If you are keen enough you can follow the links provides

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Hopefully the studies enhance A2 as a viable product and China can utilise the knowledge gained to become the leader in the Asian market.
 

B.I.B.

Captain
Why not!? Especially as it has happened before. Australia lost iron ore exports to Brazil last time when they tried to tied China into a long term contract to buy their iron ore at a higher price than the world market rate. China ended up buying iron ore on the spot market at the world market rate from Brazil.

Are there any current long term contracts? Anyway that tailings dam collapse in Brazil has restricted Brazil's output I believe it could take another couple of years to regain lost production.
 
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SteelBird

Colonel
Reading/listening news these few days I heard FBI is accusing Chinese hackers hacking American vaccine data. So, from now on, if China invent any vaccine, it will be claimed to be from America. I wonder something, are those vaccine labs all using Huawei's network devices?
 

B.I.B.

Captain
OK, I would like to take some time to discuss a little more about the conspiracy theory on the potential leak of the SARS-CoV-2 virus from a Wuhan virology lab. I find this theory to be even more unlikely than the bioweapon hypothesis.

Let me first say that, a virus has to go through two major hurtles to successfully transmit among individuals of another species. It has to acquire multiple mutations to successfully jump from species A and species B. Then it has to acquire multiple additional mutations to transmit among individuals of species B. Take the SARS-CoV-2 virus, it starts out in bats. It must acquire numerous mutations to jump from bat to human. Then it stays in a "bat-to-human" mode for a long time until it acquires additional multiple mutations in order to do "human-to-human" transmission. Both processes take a long time to finish, decades and maybe centuries.

A good example is the MERS virus. For many many years, the virus stayed on camel and did not affect any human including the camel caretakers. Then, some viruses managed to jump to human, accomplishing the "camel-to-human" jump. However, these virus still could not do "human-to-human". Thus, for many years, we see camel caretakers get sick after contacting their camels, but did not get their families and friends sick. Finally, some virus acquired additional mutations and finally able to do "human-to-human" transmission. These processes took a long time to finish.

Then, let's look at the lab leak scenario. Let's keep in mind that, in this scenario, it was a natural virus being leaked into the public accidentally. As President Trump said, someone made a stupid mistake and did a stupid thing. So natural virus and accidental leak. Under these assumptions, the SARS-CoV-2 virus would have to undergo ALL the necessary mutations naturally without human help (keep in mind that this is not a genetic manipulation scenario, which has been totally and entirely and completely disproved and refuted by the scientific community, intelligence community, President Trump and Secretary Pompeo). As such, a natural Coronavirus is first isolated from bats in the wild. Since most of the bats in the wild do not contact human, most likely these viruses had not contacted any human. Then this virus is kept in a lab, living comfortably in flasks and jars designed to give them the most ideal environment and nutrition. They still do not contact human since even the sloppiest techs in the sloppiest labs would not intentionally expose themselves to terrible viruses on a regular basis. So no human contact and very little chance for the viruses to acquire mutations to adapt lives in human bodies.

Then one fateful day in late 2019, someone accidentally gets some of these viruses on them. So this would be the first time for these viruses to see a human being. Then this person walks to the wet market some minutes to hours later. This would again be the first time for these viruses to see a whole bunch of human beings. So, in a few minutes to hours, these viruses would have to undergo dozens and dozens of mutations, which normally require decades to centuries to acquire, to complete "bat-to-human" jump and "human-to-human" jump. Again, either of these steps would normally take decades to centuries to finish by countless different populations of viruses and different bunches of human beings. I don't think this is possible even if these viruses have been blasted by tons of intense radiation to speed up mutation frequency.

So, within a matter of a few minutes to hours after being in contact with human for the first time, a natural bat virus suddenly acquires dozens and dozens of mutations to finish "bat-to-human" and "human-to-human" jumps??? This is physically impossible in the natural world. Of course, virtually everyone in the world has ruled out the possibility of any genetic manipulation. Then lab leak is also impossible.

The proponents of the lab leak scenario have listed so many examples of previous accidental lab leaks all around the world. However, all these examples involve the kinds of pathogens that have already been capable of infecting human before they are put in labs. Like Ebola and malaria, they have been isolated from patients and have possessed the ability to infect human. Of course, immediately upon being leaked out, these pathogens have no problem re-adapting their favorite living condition in human bodies. The SARS-CoV-2 virus is obviously very different. It's a bat virus and has not seen any human before the hypothetical leak.

Of course, the virus can be leaked decades ago, allowing enough time for the virus to mutate naturally and jump back and forth between bats and human and finally accomplishing human to human transmission (much like the MERS)... but what is the evidence of that? Plus, the P4 lab in Wuhan was built only a few years ago...

That puts paid to any suggestion that it might have come from infected U.S military personnel competing at the Wuhan games?
 

hullopilllw

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Good oped from GT It is about time China to tell the Aussie that there will be price exacted for being hostile,irritating and blaming China. Deputy sheriff need to know this. Australia is irrelevant in the scheme of thing but these people are oblivious and arrogant, paranoid
You can't have your cake and eat it too is a proverb that could be of use to some Australian officials, who continue to escalate tensions with China while hoping bilateral trade will remain intact.

Australia delusional in expecting normal trade amid tensions with China
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You can't have your cake and eat it too is a proverb that could be of use to some Australian officials, who continue to escalate tensions with China while hoping bilateral trade will remain intact.

On Wednesday, Australian Minister for Trade Simon Birmingham requested urgent talks with Chinese Commerce Minister Zhong Shan, according to a Reuters report. At the same time, however, Birmingham said Australia would continue to push for an international inquiry into the COVID-19 outbreak.

China has made it clear that the recent beef import suspensions and tariff threats on barley shipments are not politically motivated, and that its decisions are made based on normal market rules and facts. While China has no interest in "economically coercing" Australia, as was speculated by some politicians, it is no secret that unfriendly moves from the Morrison government have thrown bilateral ties into a deep freeze.

And there is no guarantee that economic and trade activities between the two countries will go on as usual amid deteriorating relations, since economic interdependence between China and Australia is not high.

China's trade with some countries continues to move forward despite political frictions. For instance, China and Japan have strengthened economic and trade cooperation in spite of their historical issues; China and the US have maintained close economic ties amid political tensions; and China's trade and investment with India continues to grow, accompanied by frequent disputes over various issues. Japan plays an important role in the Asian industrial chain, to which China has attached great importance. A US-China decoupling is unrealistic given their huge economic scales. And India's promising market potential is highly valued by China.

None of the above-mentioned situations are relevant to China-Australia relations. For China, Australia does not represent a big market and is not irreplaceable in terms of trade.

When the world enters the buyer's market, China has the right to select trading partners that can maximize its interest and shun biased markets that could bring uncertainty to economic exchanges. It is regrettable if some see this as economic coercion. In the business world, it is inevitably to avoid cooperation with a partner that is both hostile and replaceable.


If bilateral relations continue to deteriorate, private Chinese investment, tourism and study in Australia may also be affected, because people can always find alternative destinations in these aspects. Although beef import suspensions and potential barley tariffs are not retaliatory actions from China, many still regard the moves negative signals which will inevitably discourage private investment and exchanges in the future.

A favorable political environment cannot exist without contributions from both sides, which is why we hope Australia will rethink its hostile attitude toward China. If tensions continue on their current trajectory, it would be delusional to expect trade relations to remain on track.

This is precisely what i like about China, no bullshit talk or need to maintain a facade. Frank talk that adress intent directly.

China's intent is not bad.

You good to me, i be good to you.
You want to bully, then i wont friend you.

you cant have the cake and eat it too.

I cant fathom why western nations have such difficulties understanding what is mutual respect. do they even realise how the world view them these days? let alone following their western led world order
 

Hendrik_2000

Lieutenant General
The western propaganda is pernicious and relentless when one company send shoody good they say all chinese medical good are bad etc. prompting some Chinese to question the need to send medical supply and medical doctor to help other But listen to this excellent bit of Chinese wisdom.

Word of wisdom from CGTN Zhou yu "We don't need the world to be thankfull we just keep doing the right thing"
 

SteelBird

Colonel
The western propaganda is pernicious and relentless when one company send shoody good they say all chinese medical good are bad etc. prompting some Chinese to question the need to send medical supply and medical doctor to help other But listen to this excellent bit of Chinese wisdom.

Word of wisdom from CGTN Zhou yu "We don't need the world to be thankfull we just keep doing the right thing"
Off topic: I really envy this guy's English speaking skill. Wonder if he grew up in English-speaking country or how he got his education.
 

supercat

Major
Reading/listening news these few days I heard FBI is accusing Chinese hackers hacking American vaccine data. So, from now on, if China invent any vaccine, it will be claimed to be from America. I wonder something, are those vaccine labs all using Huawei's network devices?
Just more evidence that the Western MSM is engaging in an absolutely relentless psyop against China in cahoots with their intelligence agencies

Situation in the U.S. on May 14:
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Situation in China on May 14, excluding HK, Macau, and TW:
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vesicles

Colonel
That puts paid to any suggestion that it might have come from infected U.S military personnel competing at the Wuhan games?

So far, I don’t find that scenario plausible. If the US military personnel brought the virus to Wuhan, then the virus started in the US. If that’s the case, the dominant strains in the US should be unique in themselves or similar to the ones in Wuhan. However, the American strains almost entirely came from Italy. And the Italian strains came from China. With the epidemiological evidence, it’s still clear to me that the virus started in China.

Also, for the US military personnel theory to work, then the wet market and Wuhan should be the sole starting location since the athletes only stayed at that location. However, experts have identified multiple cities throughout eastern, central and southern China as possible sources. If that’s the case, then this theory cannot stand anymore.
 

B.I.B.

Captain
So far, I don’t find that scenario plausible. If the US military personnel brought the virus to Wuhan, then the virus started in the US. If that’s the case, the dominant strains in the US should be unique in themselves or similar to the ones in Wuhan. However, the American strains almost entirely came from Italy. And the Italian strains came from China. With the epidemiological evidence, it’s still clear to me that the virus started in China.

Also, for the US military personnel theory to work, then the wet market and Wuhan should be the sole starting location since the athletes only stayed at that location. However, experts have identified multiple cities throughout eastern, central and southern China as possible sources. If that’s the case, then this theory cannot stand anymore.
What about the recent revelation about the French person who is believed to have come down with covid way back in October?
 
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