Coronavirus 2019-2020 thread (no unsubstantiated rumours!)

AssassinsMace

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China is obviously playing both sides. Just like over soybeans between the US and Brazil. Brazil offends China and China can go back to the US to buy soybeans and vise versa. It's double-edge sword for both of them if they want to play games.
 

shanlung

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Are Americans, or opps... Muricans that crazy as to harass their frontline doctors that Covid19
is fraudulent when they are in agony trying to keep covid19 patients alive?

Is there general madness and conspiracy fans crazy in USA?

And Dotard in the midst of adding to that chaos together with his cronies with his fraudulent tweeks and gas lighting?

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ZeEa5KPul

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Good oped from GT It is about time China to tell the Aussie that there will be price exacted for being hostile,irritating and blaming China. Deputy sheriff need to know this. Australia is irrelevant in the scheme of thing but these people are oblivious and arrogant, paranoid
You can't have your cake and eat it too is a proverb that could be of use to some Australian officials, who continue to escalate tensions with China while hoping bilateral trade will remain intact.

Australia delusional in expecting normal trade amid tensions with China
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You can't have your cake and eat it too is a proverb that could be of use to some Australian officials, who continue to escalate tensions with China while hoping bilateral trade will remain intact.

On Wednesday, Australian Minister for Trade Simon Birmingham requested urgent talks with Chinese Commerce Minister Zhong Shan, according to a Reuters report. At the same time, however, Birmingham said Australia would continue to push for an international inquiry into the COVID-19 outbreak.

China has made it clear that the recent beef import suspensions and tariff threats on barley shipments are not politically motivated, and that its decisions are made based on normal market rules and facts. While China has no interest in "economically coercing" Australia, as was speculated by some politicians, it is no secret that unfriendly moves from the Morrison government have thrown bilateral ties into a deep freeze.

And there is no guarantee that economic and trade activities between the two countries will go on as usual amid deteriorating relations, since economic interdependence between China and Australia is not high.

China's trade with some countries continues to move forward despite political frictions. For instance, China and Japan have strengthened economic and trade cooperation in spite of their historical issues; China and the US have maintained close economic ties amid political tensions; and China's trade and investment with India continues to grow, accompanied by frequent disputes over various issues. Japan plays an important role in the Asian industrial chain, to which China has attached great importance. A US-China decoupling is unrealistic given their huge economic scales. And India's promising market potential is highly valued by China.

None of the above-mentioned situations are relevant to China-Australia relations. For China, Australia does not represent a big market and is not irreplaceable in terms of trade.

When the world enters the buyer's market, China has the right to select trading partners that can maximize its interest and shun biased markets that could bring uncertainty to economic exchanges. It is regrettable if some see this as economic coercion. In the business world, it is inevitably to avoid cooperation with a partner that is both hostile and replaceable.


If bilateral relations continue to deteriorate, private Chinese investment, tourism and study in Australia may also be affected, because people can always find alternative destinations in these aspects. Although beef import suspensions and potential barley tariffs are not retaliatory actions from China, many still regard the moves negative signals which will inevitably discourage private investment and exchanges in the future.

A favorable political environment cannot exist without contributions from both sides, which is why we hope Australia will rethink its hostile attitude toward China. If tensions continue on their current trajectory, it would be delusional to expect trade relations to remain on track.
Sky News Australia releasing 20 new Youtube videos REEEEEEEEing about China.
 

supersnoop

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The more they lie, the more their credibility falls. At least among Chinese.

Making up outrageous lies against China increases credibility among racists and China haters.

Judging from the headlines of their articles, their audience is probably "old, white guys who call themselves conservatives". Basically people who would be watching Fox News if they didn't have an education. They want to sell subscriptions, so they will choose to write stories that appeal to their audience.

"It’s unclear as yet how the university gathered the data. The online version says that they aggregated the data from China’s health ministry, the National Health Commission, media reports, and other public sources. "

Is this journalism today? So they outright mention how it's unclear, they themselves also refused leaks against that were against themselves but it's fine when it's against China.

Actually, it's even worse than that. Read it carefully and it never actually says what the data entails.
640,000 UPDATES of information. This is completely meaningless without proper context. Databases update counts mean absolutely nothing.
1 record could use 1, 10, 100, or 1000's of rows to update depending on efficiency or how data is aggregated. Even something as simple as Quickbooks uses 5 or 6 updates for a single transaction.

Looking at it this way. You might have primary table with case IDs. Ignoring the initial population of the table, you would already have 80,000 rows for deaths/recoveries. You might have another 20,000 rows with information on hospitalization, 10,000 rows for IC cases, another 80,000 rows with more specific geographic information such as neighborhood. (Already at ~200,000 off the top of my head already)

Absolute trash article
 

vesicles

Colonel
OK, I would like to take some time to discuss a little more about the conspiracy theory on the potential leak of the SARS-CoV-2 virus from a Wuhan virology lab. I find this theory to be even more unlikely than the bioweapon hypothesis.

Let me first say that, a virus has to go through two major hurtles to successfully transmit among individuals of another species. It has to acquire multiple mutations to successfully jump from species A and species B. Then it has to acquire multiple additional mutations to transmit among individuals of species B. Take the SARS-CoV-2 virus, it starts out in bats. It must acquire numerous mutations to jump from bat to human. Then it stays in a "bat-to-human" mode for a long time until it acquires additional multiple mutations in order to do "human-to-human" transmission. Both processes take a long time to finish, decades and maybe centuries.

A good example is the MERS virus. For many many years, the virus stayed on camel and did not affect any human including the camel caretakers. Then, some viruses managed to jump to human, accomplishing the "camel-to-human" jump. However, these virus still could not do "human-to-human". Thus, for many years, we see camel caretakers get sick after contacting their camels, but did not get their families and friends sick. Finally, some virus acquired additional mutations and finally able to do "human-to-human" transmission. These processes took a long time to finish.

Then, let's look at the lab leak scenario. Let's keep in mind that, in this scenario, it was a natural virus being leaked into the public accidentally. As President Trump said, someone made a stupid mistake and did a stupid thing. So natural virus and accidental leak. Under these assumptions, the SARS-CoV-2 virus would have to undergo ALL the necessary mutations naturally without human help (keep in mind that this is not a genetic manipulation scenario, which has been totally and entirely and completely disproved and refuted by the scientific community, intelligence community, President Trump and Secretary Pompeo). As such, a natural Coronavirus is first isolated from bats in the wild. Since most of the bats in the wild do not contact human, most likely these viruses had not contacted any human. Then this virus is kept in a lab, living comfortably in flasks and jars designed to give them the most ideal environment and nutrition. They still do not contact human since even the sloppiest techs in the sloppiest labs would not intentionally expose themselves to terrible viruses on a regular basis. So no human contact and very little chance for the viruses to acquire mutations to adapt lives in human bodies.

Then one fateful day in late 2019, someone accidentally gets some of these viruses on them. So this would be the first time for these viruses to see a human being. Then this person walks to the wet market some minutes to hours later. This would again be the first time for these viruses to see a whole bunch of human beings. So, in a few minutes to hours, these viruses would have to undergo dozens and dozens of mutations, which normally require decades to centuries to acquire, to complete "bat-to-human" jump and "human-to-human" jump. Again, either of these steps would normally take decades to centuries to finish by countless different populations of viruses and different bunches of human beings. I don't think this is possible even if these viruses have been blasted by tons of intense radiation to speed up mutation frequency.

So, within a matter of a few minutes to hours after being in contact with human for the first time, a natural bat virus suddenly acquires dozens and dozens of mutations to finish "bat-to-human" and "human-to-human" jumps??? This is physically impossible in the natural world. Of course, virtually everyone in the world has ruled out the possibility of any genetic manipulation. Then lab leak is also impossible.

The proponents of the lab leak scenario have listed so many examples of previous accidental lab leaks all around the world. However, all these examples involve the kinds of pathogens that have already been capable of infecting human before they are put in labs. Like Ebola and malaria, they have been isolated from patients and have possessed the ability to infect human. Of course, immediately upon being leaked out, these pathogens have no problem re-adapting their favorite living condition in human bodies. The SARS-CoV-2 virus is obviously very different. It's a bat virus and has not seen any human before the hypothetical leak.

Of course, the virus can be leaked decades ago, allowing enough time for the virus to mutate naturally and jump back and forth between bats and human and finally accomplishing human to human transmission (much like the MERS)... but what is the evidence of that? Plus, the P4 lab in Wuhan was built only a few years ago...
 
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Gatekeeper

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Trump must be very pissed with China, what with the spat with the Chinese American reporter, then the tweeter storm claiming all Chinese Americans are angry with China. When, in fact they are all angry with him for putting a target on the backs. Now, he claim he won't speak to President Xi. Way to act presidential. No wonder they call him man-baby.

One thing I noticed is that he always says him and President Xi have a great relationship, friends even. But no one ever believes that!

So he believe it is so easy to save Americans $500 billion per year. And yet it is so difficult to achieve without hurting your own economy. POTUS just doesn't get it!

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Trump threatens to cut off relations with China
New rhetorical blast comes as US increases criticism of Beijing over the coronavirus
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Donald Trump says he is not interested in speaking to Xi Jinping, his Chinese counterpart, in the near future

May 14, 2020 6:08 pm by
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Donald Trump has warned that he could “cut off the whole relationship” with China, in the latest escalation of
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with Beijing as he increasingly blames China for the global spread of the coronavirus.
“There are many things we could do,” Mr Trump told Fox Business’ Mornings With Maria on Thursday. “We could cut off the whole relationship. Now if you did, what would happen? You’d save $500bn.”
It was unclear what that figure represented. Mr Trump was responding to a question about whether the US should refuse Chinese nationals student visas for sensitive science areas.

The White House in 2018
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from receiving student visas, but backed away from the idea pushed by Stephen Miller, a hardline White House aide who is close to Mr Trump.

The president has in recent weeks intensified his criticism of the Chinese government over the way it handled the disclosure of the virus, and has suggested that Beijing would be forced to pay a price.

Mr Trump did not explain what he meant by cutting off ties. But some officials want him to remove Chinese companies from US supply chains.

The president on Thursday also signed an executive order that authorises the US International Development Finance Corporation to provide loans to US industrial companies to shore domestic manufacturing related to the pandemic response.

Pressed on how he could force US companies to move their supply chains, Mr Trump told Fox Business: “One incentive, frankly, is to charge tax for them when they make product outside.”

Mike Pompeo, secretary of state, on Thursday called on China to stop
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related to US research into Covid-19, and urged China to be more transparent in providing information about the pandemic.

“While the US and our allies and partners are co-ordinating a collective, transparent response to save lives, the PRC continues to silence scientists, journalists, and citizens, and to spread disinformation, which has exacerbated the dangers of this health crisis,” Mr Pompeo said.

In his Fox Business interview, Mr Trump said he was looking “very strongly” at whether Chinese companies should be allowed to list on US stock exchanges if they did not follow US accounting rules. But he said he knew that there was a downside to such a move.

“What happens is, so we say, ‘you’re going to do this and you’re going to follow the rules of the New York Stock Exchange or Nasdaq’. What do they do? They say, OK, we’ll move to London or we’ll go to Hong Kong.”

Earlier this week, the White House pressured the main US federal employee retirement fund to
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to invest in Chinese companies, in what was a big victory for China hawks in Washington.

In a letter outlining its concerns, Robert O’Brien, national security adviser, pointed out that the Chinese government does not allow US auditors to audit the accounts of Chinese companies listed on US stock exchange

The president’s latest attack is part of a campaign that many experts believe will escalate as the
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approaches. In his 2016 race, Mr Trump frequently slammed China over its trade policies, but he has failed to make a significant dent in the US trade deficit with the country.

Asked about reports that China wanted to renegotiate the phase one trade deal that was signed earlier this year to ease the trade war between the countries, Mr Trump said he had no intention of reopening the pact.

“They said somewhere . . . they’d like to renegotiate the deal. We’re not going to renegotiate,” Mr Trump said.

The US president added that he was not interested in speaking to Xi Jinping, his Chinese counterpart, in the near future. “I have a very good relationship [with him] but . . . right now I don’t want to speak to him.”
 

Gatekeeper

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Do you think Australia should be taking seriously the threat of iron ore being next on the list?

Why not!? Especially as it has happened before. Australia lost iron ore exports to Brazil last time when they tried to tied China into a long term contract to buy their iron ore at a higher price than the world market rate. China ended up buying iron ore on the spot market at the world market rate from Brazil.
 
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