Coronavirus 2019-2020 thread (no unsubstantiated rumours!)

[KIENCHIN]

In my opinion, eating of wild animals should be banned out right. It will be much easier to control and regulate the handling of raw meat when everything can be carefully monitored.

Back in the day when people were poor, people had no choice but to find wild animals for consumption. Nowadays, China no longer has such problem. In fact, it is the wealthy people who tend to eat wild animals for seeking excitement and adventure.

In addition to potential weird and exotic diseases carried by wild animals, having a market for wild animals means poaching and potential extinction of precious animal species. The huge population in China means they have a gigantic market for wild animals and a hugely efficient way to destroy any exotic animal species.

There has been no obvious nutritional benefit of eating wild animals over livestock. Harms of eating wild animals massively outweigh the benefit.

I myself, as well as my entire family, have not eaten any wild animals in our entire lives. We have lived a happy and pleasant life. We are all smart and healthy and capable of doing everything humanly possible. We don’t need wild animals. So why risk so much for no apparent benefit?

It is true of what you said, my family was relatively poor family when I was young and we used to receive bush meat from relatives who shot wild animals that had intrude into their fruit plantation. Some of these were giant flying fox’s, I guess we were lucky back then that they were not caring ant deadly virus. There is no longer a need to consume bush meat and the commercial sale of it must be banned.

 

[FriedRiceNSpice]

If no person has ever been reported to be a victim of H5N1, then how did they discern that the human mortality rate is a cartoonishly high 60%? Mental filter is required when reading things on the internet.

I think the intended message is that historically, the H5N1 virus has had a 60% mortality rate in documented human cases, but that there have been no human cases reported in the current outbreak.

 

[manqiangrexue]

I think the intended message is that historically, the H5N1 virus has had a 60% mortality rate in documented human cases, but that there have been no human cases reported in the current outbreak.

LOL I searched it and know now why they say 60%, because I am certain I have never heard of a pandemic of influenza killing off 60% of the infected before. The H5N1 has never been a pandemic because it is extremely rare to see any transmission to humans, thus there is no real mass-data and no mass-testing. sometimes, you'll find 1 person infected as an isolated case on a chicken farm and he died so, it is 1/1 or 100% mortality. The 60% seems to come from 2007 when 5 people in China were found with it and 3 people died. They don't really know how many people were infected and didn't get mass data on it because it's not a pandemic so they just left it as 60%. Because the numbers are so small, the mortality rate can fluctuate between 100% and 0%, and because it is not a true pandemic, people can easily be infected and never tested and never knew they had it. Every year in China, there are farms ordered to kill their stock to stop disease from spreading to other animals; if nothing gets blown out of proportion, the farmers don't become statistics and just carry on with life.

 

[adiru]

LOL I searched it and know now why they say 60%, because I am certain I have never heard of a pandemic of influenza killing off 60% of the infected before. The H5N1 has never been a pandemic because it is extremely rare to see any transmission to humans, thus there is no real mass-data and no mass-testing. sometimes, you'll find 1 person infected as an isolated case on a chicken farm and he died so, it is 1/1 or 100% mortality. The 60% seems to come from 2007 when 5 people in China were found with it and 3 people died. They don't really know how many people were infected and didn't get mass data on it because it's not a pandemic so they just left it as 60%. Because the numbers are so small, the mortality rate can fluctuate between 100% and 0%, and because it is not a true pandemic, people can be infected and never tested and never knew they had it. Every year in China, there are farms ordered to kill their stock to stop disease from spreading to other animals; it nothing gets blown out of proportion, the farmers don't become statistics and just carry on with life.

Geographically where in China did this happen? Any timeline in terms of exactly when it was first found? They say no known cases of human being infected, are they on the lookout for any possibility of anything like a case developing out of an abundance of precaution this time around?

 

[manqiangrexue]

Geographically where in China did this happen? Any timeline in terms of exactly when it was first found? They say no known cases of human being infected, are they on the lookout for any possibility of anything like a case developing out of an abundance of precaution this time around?

Google it. Read the news. Shaoyang city, Hunan province, a single farm. India found H5N1 a few days ago and are killing their chickens from some of their farms (except they're being kinda slow about it). I would assume China is very careful now and obviously doing all they can for every possible viral outbreak.

 

[Rettam Stacf]

Try eBay. I was able to some ASTM Level 2 and Level 3 surgical masks (not N95 respirator mask) from eBay a week ago. Anyway, most health authorities around the world recommend the general public to use surgical mask instead of respirator mask.

my cousin in China hit me up on wechat ask me to help him buy some N95 masks to send back to guiyang, but even now here in Dallas area of Texas the CVS, walmart, kroger, costcos and even amazon, everywhere is sold out.... forget about N95, cannot even find normal masks anywhere anymore, and even the Home Depot masks for dust filtering are gone!

 

[Rettam Stacf]

There are several discussions about face masks in the last few page. Below are some information regarding what face mask to use for 2019-nCoV.

Public should use surgical masks, not N95 masks, to guard against Wuhan virus spread: Experts

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Below is a YouTube video by US Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA) explaining the difference between respirators and surgical masks.

When purchasing surgical masks, look for ones that are rated by ASTM. Below is an explanation of the different ratings. The two most important factors are the BFE (Bacterial Filtration Efficiency) and PFE (Particle Filtration Efficiency). I was going to insert the table "Guide to Face Mask Selection and Use" here. But the file is too big to uploaded. So I provide a link below.

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Hope the above information helps.

 

[adiru]

First death outside of the China

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[localizer]

There are several discussions about face masks in the last few page. Below are some information regarding what face mask to use for 2019-nCoV.

Public should use surgical masks, not N95 masks, to guard against Wuhan virus spread: Experts

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Below is a YouTube video by US Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA) explaining the difference between respirators and surgical masks.

When purchasing surgical masks, look for ones that are rated by ASTM. Below is an explanation of the different ratings. The two most important factors are the BFE (Bacterial Filtration Efficiency) and PFE (Particle Filtration Efficiency). I was going to insert the table "Guide to Face Mask Selection and Use" here. But the file is too big to uploaded. So I provide a link below.

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Hope the above information helps.

I would go as far as anything to cover your mouth and nose is better than nothing.

 

[solarz]

I would go as far as anything to cover your mouth and nose is better than nothing.

Or you could just avoid crowded places, avoid touching your eyes and mouth while in public, and wash your hands when you get home.