Coronavirus 2019-2020 thread (no unsubstantiated rumours!)

coolieno99

Junior Member
Wow, that was a surprising read. Just how much money would you be willing to bet on there not being much vitriol against China at this moment? Because I can illustrate just how much with a simple demonstration: CGTN has channels all over the world in many languages, take a random sample of comments and put them through machine translation and see what comes out. Remember, that's on a channel whose audience is at least interested in China; you can imagine what the results would be elsewhere.

China is burdened with a lot of things that tarnish its image: it just recently climbed out of poverty and the popular imagination hasn't caught up. To most people, China is still a poor and dirty country full of bat-eating rice farmers in conical straw hats riding bicycles. It has the Communist label attached to it and most of these people were alive during the Cold War and mainlining US propaganda. Even among populations harmed by America like Arabs, you find a great deal of fear and loathing of China - you'd think that they'd be sympathetic to China for challenging Western imperialism, but it seems the only thing a slave hates more than his master is the abolitionist trying to free him. What contemptible creatures.

Most surprising of all is that you think Americans have self-awareness and capacity for reflection sufficient to realize that the fault is theirs. When has that ever been the case in their history?
The sad thing is there is no hard evidence that China started the Covid-19 outbreak. There are too many loose ends, that cannot be answer. In the past, the U.S. government had awarded $ 3.75 million grant to China to locate and collect corona virus samples from horseshoe bats in southern China. The samples were sent back to the U.S.

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solarz

Brigadier
Oh, but those are governments. I fully agree that China has them by the balls and they can't do anything to impede its rise without grievously harming themselves. Your post was about public opinion, that's another matter entirely.

Foreign public opinion is irrelevant to a nation. Do you think the Han dynasty cared about the opinion of the Xiongnu tribesmen? Do you think the US cares about the opinion of Iraqis? Nations only care about the opinion of its own people.

I suspect that you are not so much concerned about the well being of China after COVID-19, but rather about the well being of people of Chinese descent outside of China.

For that, all I can say is be vigilant. I for one am damn glad I didn't move to the US a couple of years ago, when I had the chance to do so.
 

ZeEa5KPul

Colonel
Registered Member
I suspect that you are not so much concerned about the well being of China after COVID-19, but rather about the well being of people of Chinese descent outside of China.
Let me allay your suspicions. I find Chinese-American whining about how America treats them, marginalizes and belittles them in popular culture and disenfranchises them politically, how China's rise endangers them, how China should appease America so they'd be safer, etc. boring. Cold as it may sound, it doesn't interest me in the slightest. I would say I'm concerned about China's well-being, but there's not much cause for concern - China is going to be just fine. What I'm actually concerned about is China itself, its place in the world, and what its rise means for itself and the humanity as a whole.

I was a little heated earlier from the Washington Noise Machine when I read your comment, so I hastily assumed your post meant popular opinion. Having read it again I can certainly interpret it as referring to governments, in which case I'll repeat that I agree with you completely on that front. Governments throughout the world need China's help to overcome this crisis, and moreover they certainly need good relations with China to have a future in the 21st century. Their publics are little more than livestock who'll eat whatever they're fed, and the stronger China becomes the more these publics will eat the grass China provides.
 

manqiangrexue

Brigadier
I don't know if I'd cry or lose hope or go crazy if this kind of stupidity happened in China. Luckily, I don't have to worry about those feelings!

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Trump blasts new coronavirus message: 'LIBERATE' swing states that have Democratic governors

President Trump fired off a series of tweets Friday that appeared to encourage citizens in states protesting strict coronavirus lockdown orders to “LIBERATE” themselves from their governors.

“When you see a political rally — that’s what it was yesterday — a political rally where people aren’t wearing masks and they’re in close quarters and they’re touching one another, you know that that’s precisely what makes this kind of disease drag out and expose more people,” Whitmer said in an interview with MSNBC.
 

ZeEa5KPul

Colonel
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I don't know if I'd cry or lose hope or go crazy if this kind of stupidity happened in China. Luckily, I don't have to worry about those feelings!

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Trump blasts new coronavirus message: 'LIBERATE' swing states that have Democratic governors

President Trump fired off a series of tweets Friday that appeared to encourage citizens in states protesting strict coronavirus lockdown orders to “LIBERATE” themselves from their governors.
I think history will judge Trump as a true innovator in American governance. Before Trump, there was a period between presidential elections where the elected individual would attempt to govern for a time. The attempts were often paltry, politicized, and corrupt - but the attempts were made. Trump is unique in that he hasn't even made the attempt. The moment he won the 2016 election he immediately pivoted to the 2020 election.

That's... brilliant.
 

AssassinsMace

Lieutenant General
The news that the CDC was contaminated which hindered creating a reliable coronavirus test in the US shows why hypocrites have to point the finger first at others. It does lessen the seriousness of it when someone else takes the heat first. Speculation that coronavirus was accidentally leaked from a Chinese lab because two years ago the very same CDC accused the very same Chinese lab of being neglectful. If you just heard that CDC was contaminated, no one would trust anything that was coming out of there. Buy now it's more important to discredit China as worse. Not to say this was intentional but hypocrites know to immediately blame it on someone else just for such cases like these. You better believe that we're only hearing about it now because they knew how embarrassing it would be if the public knew just like what they accuse China. They aren't better. They're no better.
 

supercat

Major
The sad thing is there is no hard evidence that China started the Covid-19 outbreak. There are too many loose ends, that cannot be answer. In the past, the U.S. government had awarded $ 3.75 million grant to China to locate and collect corona virus samples from horseshoe bats in southern China. The samples were sent back to the U.S.

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Collecting and studying bat virus is NOT bio-weapons research. Unfortunately the average Joe Sixpack does not have the common sense and judgemental capability to discern what he sees on social media or MSM. In recent days, Fox News is propagating the absurd story that the original, unaltered SARS-CoV-2 virus escaped from the Wuhan lab, without a shred of evidence that the Wuhan lab actually had possession of such a virus before the outbreak. In fact, I do not recall a single instance in which a pathogen is collected, isolated, and studied before it causes disease in humans. It's always the other way around: an infectious agent infects humans, then it is collected, isolated, and studied. What's the probability that China collected the SARS-CoV-2 virus secretly, studied it covertly, and did not publish anything about it? Very small. What's the odds that such a virus escaped from a BSL-4 lab later? Very small. What's the probability of the intersection of two events with very small probabilities? Very very small. The Fox News story is a fairy tale, or a nonstarter.

The news that the CDC was contaminated which hindered creating a reliable coronavirus test in the US shows why hypocrites have to point the finger first at others. It does lessen the seriousness of it when someone else takes the heat first. Speculation that coronavirus was accidentally leaked from a Chinese lab because two years ago the very same CDC accused the very same Chinese lab of being neglectful. If you just heard that CDC was contaminated, no one would trust anything that was coming out of there. Buy now it's more important to discredit China as worse. Not to say this was intentional but hypocrites know to immediately blame it on someone else just for such cases like these. You better believe that we're only hearing about it now because they knew how embarrassing it would be if the public knew just like what they accuse China. They aren't better. They're no better.

Well, here is a U.S. scientist, Dr. Danielle Anderson, who actually worked at the Wuhan lab, said (with minor editing by me):

I have worked in this exact laboratory at various times for the past two years. I can personally attest to the strict control and containment measures implemented while working there. The staff at WIV are incredibly competent, hardworking, and are excellent scientists with superb track records.

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Situation in the U.S. on April 18 at 8:00 pm EDT:
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On April 18, excluding Hong Kong, Macau, and Taiwan, there are 7 domestic new cases and 9 imported new cases. There are 44 new asymptomatic cases. There is no death nationwide. There 77,062 cured cases and 1,041 existing cases. Existing cases in HK and Macau 34 to 479.
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