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superdog

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a long but methodological and fairly comprehensive rebuttal to various falsehood from western MSM and politician.

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They need to make some video series on similar topics, but not just passively defending accusations (like what CGTN has been doing), they need to do much more on exposing hypocrisies.

However, my faith in their capability of making competitive propaganda is vastly lower than my faith in their ability to control COVID-19. That's the problem when you have your media workforce operate in a highly controlled and sterilized environment for so long.
 
They need to make some video series on similar topics, but not just passively defending accusations (like what CGTN has been doing), they need to do much more on exposing hypocrisies.

However, my faith in their capability of making competitive propaganda is vastly lower than my faith in their ability to control COVID-19. That's the problem when you have your media workforce operate in a highly controlled and sterilized environment for so long.

Good point. That is why the US is restricting Chinese media activity in the US. Chinese media is taking steps in that direction but is being hampered by western government restriction to provide rebuttals. Recent example includes the Trump administrations restriction on Chinese News Media organization in the US. The western government in collusion MSM is a powerful force that needs to be balanced by persistent rebuttal effort by China and Chinese community.
 

localizer

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They need to make some video series on similar topics, but not just passively defending accusations (like what CGTN has been doing), they need to do much more on exposing hypocrisies.

However, my faith in their capability of making competitive propaganda is vastly lower than my faith in their ability to control COVID-19. That's the problem when you have your media workforce operate in a highly controlled and sterilized environment for so long.


The Asian is supposed to be passive according to the West, When the Asian fights back he is compared to a serial killer.
 

shanlung

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I've never used it actually, but if you click the username there is an ignore button

Yup.
In time I be using that on Southernsky.
I am on page 505 .
My morbid and puerile curiosity compells me to read until pag 508 before he
be discarded to wear his cone of silence and shame.

Yup.
In time I be using that on Southernsky.
I am on page 505 .
My morbid and puerile curiosity compells me to read until pag 508 before he
be discarded to wear his cone of silence and shame.

Done

On long articles, the link is just normally given.
As I will do with this.
However, since it capsulated much of what we been talking about here, I make an exception to extract
and print that in full as well.

Tried but was not done as article exceeded the 10,000 characters speed limit bump set here.

So only a portion below as hors d'oeuvre . Go into the link to read that in full

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This week’s note is from George Yeo, Brunswick Geopolitical Principal and former Singapore Cabinet member for Health (1994–97), Trade and Industry (1999–2004) and Foreign Affairs (2004–11). This article represents his own personal views.
At 10am on Saturday April 4, which was Qing Ming or China’s All Souls Day, sirens rang across the country for three minutes. The entire country paused to mourn all those who succumbed to COVID-19. It was a moment of national solidarity after a terrifying experience which seared the collective memory. According to official figures, over 3,300 Chinese died out of a total of over 83,000 infected. A few western reports have cast doubt on these numbers much to the indignation of Chinese authorities. Even if there were significantly more infections and deaths, it does not change the overall picture.
China’s leaders took the fateful decision of locking down Wuhan, a city of eleven million people on January 23, two days before Chinese New Year. All modes of public transportation suddenly ceased operating - airport, train station, metro, river ports. By the afternoon, highways leading out of Wuhan were sealed off. Within a few days, the sixteen cities of Hubei Province with a population of almost sixty million people came under quarantine. By confining the main epidemic to Hubei province, China was able to prevent other major outbreaks of the epidemic in the country. For two months, the people of Hubei endured varying degrees of hardship, Wuhan the worst. Help poured in from the rest of the country. Within ten days, two special hospitals were built with a total of 2500 beds. Tens of thousands of healthcare personnel were dispatched from other provinces and the People’s Liberation Army to reinforce a public healthcare system that would otherwise have collapsed from the sudden increase of critically ill patients. The Central Government ensured that every city in Hubei had a major province to lean on for general support. In gratitude, Hubei residents came out to the streets in large numbers to send off these ‘foreign’ contingents when they finally left Wuhan and other cities a few weeks ago.
Imagine if China’s Central Government had dithered. The internal debate must have been ferocious. Wuhan is a major hub in China for air, rail, road and riverine transport. During the war against Japan, Wuhan was Chiang Kai-shek’s temporary HQ after Nanjing fell. Great battles were fought to defend Wuhan while Chiang evacuated his administration to Chongqing which was upstream of the Yangtze River gorges and therefore much less accessible. Perhaps no other city is as well-connected to all of China than Wuhan. It has the biggest student population of any city in China with large numbers from other provinces. During the week-long Chinese New Year holidays, Chinese people go back to their hometowns for family reunions. The annual Spring migration in China is the biggest movement of human beings on earth.
Looking back, if Beijing had not taken this decision to confine Wuhan, the COVID-19 epidemic would have spread to all corners of China within a week. The World Health Organisation described the action as ‘unprecedented’ in the history of public health. There could easily have been fifty Wuhan outbreaks and the Chinese Communist Party would have been shaken to its core. At that time in late January, the nature of COVID-19 was still poorly understood and even today is still not well understood. Chinese authorities made serious mistakes in December and January including the persecution of whistleblowers by local officials. (Key provincial leaders involved in the early coverup have since been removed including the Party Secretaries of Hubei Province and Wuhan City.) But, on the most critical decision, China’s Central Government made the right call. That saved China and bought the world precious weeks which unfortunately were not put to good use despite repeated alarms by the World Health Organisation.
For a few weeks, many people thought in their hearts that COVID-19 was a virus that mostly affected Chinese people and other East Asians, like SARS. That fueled conspiracy theories about the origin of the virus. As the number of infections and deaths rose day by day in China, the reaction of the external world was mixed. Some showed sympathy and extended help. Others sneered. Anti-China and anti-Chinese sentiments infected large parts of the world affecting not only Mainland Chinese but East Asians generally. Beijing took careful note of these different reactions. When the Wall Street Journal described China as ‘the real sick man of Asia’, it caused considerable offense among ordinary Chinese. In contrast, the modest donation of masks by the Vatican was applauded.

China, which once had to appeal for supplies from the rest of the world to supplement its own inadequate production, is now the principal supplier of such lifesaving material to the world.
Since then, the tables have turned dramatically. China has succeeded in bringing down the number of new cases to less than a hundred a day, the majority of them imported. The country remains dead scared of an epidemic rebound and has put in place comprehensive safeguards. Instead of the world locking in China, China is now locking out the world. Particular care is taken to protect Beijing. International flights to Beijing must first land in one of twelve provincial cities so that every incoming passenger is carefully checked and quarantined if necessary. At the same time, the Central Government has progressively relaxed controls on normal economic activities. All indicators (highway traffic, consumption of luxury goods, housing sales, coal consumption, air pollution etc.) show the economy quickly reviving. China’s GDP is likely to register positive growth this year. The export sector remains badly affected of course but China’s dependence on it is not as large as before because of the size of its internal market. China is the most vertically integrated economy in the world. Last July, McKinsey published a report that while the world’s economic exposure to China is growing, China’s exposure to the rest of the world is reducing.
In the meantime, COVID-19 has spread with a vengeance to the rest of the world on a scale much bigger than that which affected China. The economies of US and the EU are almost in free fall as priority is rightly placed on measures to control what has become a pandemic. Unemployment rates have shot up and national governments are spending trillions of dollars to help struggling businesses and individuals stay afloat. Masks, protective clothing and respirators are in woefully short supply. In some cities in Lombardy and Spain, a system of heart-wrenching triage was in place to decide who were more deserving of lifesaving treatment. China, which once had to appeal for supplies from the rest of the world to supplement its own inadequate production, is now the principal supplier of such lifesaving material to the world. China’s factories operating 24/7 now make 200 million masks a day, much of which for export.
We do not know how long it will take for Europe and the US to get out of the current situation. COVID-19 is such a contagious virus, no country is safe until all countries are safe. Even after Europe and the US have contained the virus, its spread to other parts of the world (Middle East, Africa, South Asia, Southeast Asia, Latin America) will make it a recurrent threat to everyone until good vaccines are found to inoculate entire populations. What China has done, no other country can do. China’s uniquely centralized system has deep roots in Chinese history and is not peculiar to the People’s Republic. For over two thousand years, the ideal in the minds of ordinary people is of a well-functioning centralized system with good and wise leaders at the top. Great walls are repeatedly built to protect the country from baleful external influence. This is China’s great strength but also its great weakness.
 
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and I now chuckled though it isn't funny

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welcome to California

editing issues ("de-mands", "du-ring" etc.) inside
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plus kind of bizarre construct:
In China, as early as on February 5, more than 100 officials throughout China have been punished. But in the US, if there is indeed someone that is to be held accountable for his/her improper handling of the outbreak, the epidemic situation would perhaps have already been irremediable by then.
 

Blitzo

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@shanlung and @Jura -- I am warning both of you for making successive posts nature which could be just as easily posted in a single post, including successive posts which are short in nature. That clutters the forum and is poor etiquette.

I'm issuing a formal warning and I am merging your posts together, please do not make me do so again in future.


This goes for everyone else as well.
Avoid making multiple posts in quick succession. If you see multiple interesting pieces of news that you want to link to, you can link to it all in a single post. Supercat's posts in this thread where he posts multiple pictures and pieces of information is a great example of a high effort and information dense post contained in a single post.
Obviously if you are writing distinctive and lengthy commentary for a particular news link then that is something else, or if you are replying to different individuals as part of different discussions.

But avoid making multiple unnecessary posts that clogs the thread for those who read it please. This applies for everyone and for every thread.
 
pretty interesting PR stuff inside
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  • Chinese observers and former envoys caution against Beijing’s attempts to define international opinion in the face of a global health crisis
  • Be aware of criticism in usually friendly countries as they question China’s position, observers say

... foreign ministry spokesman Zhao Lijian ... said in a tweet on March 20 that “if someone claims that China’s exports are toxic, then stop wearing China-made masks and protective gowns”.
LOL

it took me some time, but found it:


a byproduct of this search is the sentence, now ironic, "By the way, has the US paid its dues to WHO?"
inside
 
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Canuck place

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pretty interesting PR stuff inside
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  • Chinese observers and former envoys caution against Beijing’s attempts to define international opinion in the face of a global health crisis
  • Be aware of criticism in usually friendly countries as they question China’s position, observers say

LOL

it took me some time, but found it:


a byproduct of this search is the sentence, now ironic, "By the way, has the US paid its dues to WHO?"
inside
I would have to agree with the SCMP article. During times like this China needs to put her head down, work hard at making sure that quality manufacturing is done, and don't make waves. I don't mean accepting slander, blatant lies need to be countered with objective facts but I really do hope that chinese diplomats will not get too emotional and say things that can offend non openly hostile countries. After this is over, you can bet the US will wage further economic war on China and China needs all the help it can get even from countries inside the west, many of whom has issues with Trump more than with China this Chinese diplomats can't get carried away.

I really felt that letter by the Chinese Dench embassy was unnecessary and the Guangdong situations could have been much better handled. They need to rectify, apologize if appropriate and gain more trust around the world. My 2 cents
 
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