Coronavirus 2019-2020 thread (no unsubstantiated rumours!)

[Rettam Stacf]

This is the scary part. When Wuhan was locked down, there were 800+ cases, vs 8-10,000 in Italy. Meanwhile, the virus has already spread to other parts of Europe to a much greater extent as well. France, Spain and Germany all have more total cases (including recovered, which are very few in Europe) than all provinces in China besides Hubei, and these number are still climbing fast. Switzerland looks pretty serious as well.

The strategy in China with the lockdown was twofold: 1) concentrate the medical resources from the whole country in Wuhan and Hubei, while 2) buying time to allow the public health authorities in the other provinces (and the rest of the world) to prepare and take the necessary measures. The two components obviously aided each other, and this is not possible in Europe. Instead, it's each country out for itself.

The situation in Europe looks very bad to me. While the number of deaths in Italy seems to say the medical system is already overwhelmed, it seems the neighbors are either unwilling or unable to help in a very strong way. Their own medical systems are already coming under stress, and could become overwhelmed as well.

Fully agree.

For the sake of many of our forumers, this EU mistake is not going to and unlikely to be repeated in the US.

 

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@Blitzo

Just got a couple of questions for an idea that occurred to me today:

For the 18-40 cohort with no medical conditions who contract the virus - what is the best guess as to:

1. The fatality rate. It looks really low from what I can see.
2. The admittance rate to hospital to due serious complications such as pneumonia
3. If there are any long-term complications for the vast majority who only have mild symptoms and recover after a few weeks.
4. If a COVID-19 antibody blood test comes back positive, does it also mean the person is also now immune? And if so, how long could such immunity be expected to last for?

The same questions apply to both the L-strain and S-strain.

And does immunity from one strain grant immunity to the other strain?

For question 1, the fatality rate for the 18-40 group is between 0.2-0.4%. Yes that's similar to influenza.

For question 2, I don' think anyone knows the admittance rate since you will need to know the number of people with either no symptom or very mild symptoms. Since neither of these people will go to the hospital, we will never find out.

For question 3, most people with pneumonia will develop calcified granulomas in the lungs. Younger people will eventually fully recover, while older people may never fully recover. The COVID-19 will be similar. As to people with mild symptoms, no one knows at this point. We will find out later.

For question 4, that would be yes since the test is based on detecting antibodies in the blood. For Coronaviruses, the antibodies typically last about 6 months because the viruses keep mutating. Eventually, they will mutate too much and your antibodies won't recognize the virus.

My guess is that the immunity will be highly likely to be the same for both strains since they share very similar genome. Without actual data, I have no way of knowing for sure.

 

[Jura The idiot]

I liked this one most (#24 inside

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Chinese President Xi Jinping, also general secretary of the Communist Party of China Central Committee and chairman of the Central Military Commission, waves to residents who are quarantined at home and sends regards to them at a community in Wuhan, central China's Hubei Province, March 10, 2020. Xi made an inspection of the epidemic prevention and control work in Wuhan on Tuesday. (Xinhua/Xie Huanchi)

 

[Jura The idiot]

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Can they get any more blatant and obvious with their racism?

 

[Hendrik_2000]

Jura are you sarcastic of course the Prez won't visit Wuhan in early day of the epidemic for the simple reason He is the chief and his effort is better spend of directing and marshaling the country resource to overcome this scourge
He did send Lie Kezhiang to Wuhan to have first look at the epidemic that is normal procedure When Wenchuan earth quake happened it is not Hu Jintao that went there instead it was Wen Jiaobao that went there first

So the western critic is off base and their only purpose was to vilify China

 

[Air Force Brat]

Jura are you sarcastic of course the Prez won't visit Wuhan in early day of the epidemic for the simple reason He is the chief and his effort is better spend of directing and marshaling the country resource to overcome this scourge
He did send Lie Kezhiang to Wuhan to have first look at the epidemic that is normal procedure When Wenchuan earth quake happened it is not Hu Jintao that went there instead it was Wen Jiaobao that went there first

So the western critic is off base and their only purpose was to vilify China

Leave the politics and East vs West bashing out this thread, consider this a final warning prior to closing this thread for a little house keeping! do NOT respond to this post!

 

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Just ignore these kinds of trash. Don't give them your time.

Yes but at the same time you have fight racism and fake news that can provide through a prejudice narrative.

 

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Leave the politics and East vs West bashing out this thread, consider this a final warning prior to closing this thread for a little house keeping! do NOT respond to this post!

So how do you propose to show a difference of narrative in both the East and West without "bashing" of politics?

 

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The western MSM is obsessed with bashing China, but Chinese media really need to do a much better job of giving credit where it is earned and due.

No need, history has already proven that China media was more consistent in reporting than the western MSM in regards to the COVID 19 crisis.