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supersnoop

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Typical mixing of politics and current virus coverage.

I think there is a fair point regarding the opacity of what the app actually does.

However... (Warning, kind of off-topic)
While Chinese internet companies often share data with the government, the process is rarely so direct. In the United States, it would be akin to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention using apps from Amazon and Facebook to track the coronavirus, then quietly sharing user information with the local sheriff’s office.

This is exactly what Amazon does with Ring, and also has a product like Rekognition, and another company Clearview.ai, all freely sharing their data with US Law enforcement. Kind of dishonest reporting there.

She shrugged off the privacy concerns. “Alipay already has all our data. So what are we afraid of? Seriously.”

I feel this is really a point that almost all these political hitpieces ignore. We all know cops in North America have full access to bank accounts, credit cards, toll booth transponders, cell phone records. Everything is electronic and traceable. You could argue a warrant is needed in most cases, but a warrant is just a piece of paper, and really the only thing that stands between the cops and all of someone's dirty laundry is the leanings of a single judge.

Off-Topic rants aside...
So how does this app do contact tracing? Have there been any Chinese articles on it?
Obviously we probably don't have the details, but does anyone have any additional insight of how this sort of technology could help trace the spread of a disease?
 

localizer

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Typical mixing of politics and current virus coverage.

I think there is a fair point regarding the opacity of what the app actually does.

However... (Warning, kind of off-topic)


This is exactly what Amazon does with Ring, and also has a product like Rekognition, and another company Clearview.ai, all freely sharing their data with US Law enforcement. Kind of dishonest reporting there.



I feel this is really a point that almost all these political hitpieces ignore. We all know cops in North America have full access to bank accounts, credit cards, toll booth transponders, cell phone records. Everything is electronic and traceable. You could argue a warrant is needed in most cases, but a warrant is just a piece of paper, and really the only thing that stands between the cops and all of someone's dirty laundry is the leanings of a single judge.

Off-Topic rants aside...
So how does this app do contact tracing? Have there been any Chinese articles on it?
Obviously we probably don't have the details, but does anyone have any additional insight of how this sort of technology could help trace the spread of a disease?

All your apps track you via gps or wifi so they can combine all that information.
 

OppositeDay

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Although if they were more transparent about inside wuhan at the start and everyone started wearing masks then we wouldn’t have to quarantine in the first place.

No, the health authority in Wuhan was already advising the public to wear masks and avoid public gathering on Dec 31
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Masks were sold out in Wuhan by Jan 2, so at least some people were listening
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People are blaming the Wuhan government for failing to warn them but actually they failed to take the government's advice and protect their own health.
 

Anlsvrthng

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Corono virus in china is over now The boss visit Wuhan
It is wishful thinking.

All measure done by everyone just slow down the virus, doesn't stop it.

It will stop only when over 50% of the population will be immune.
But they have to catch it first.

It will be like the chickenpox . Everyone will catch it in early years ,or there will be a mandatory vaccine in young age for all child.

Say China will be free from it with extreme cost, and at the same time all africa , banglades ,thailand ect will catch it , become immune with marginal viral carriers.

What will China do ?
Hermetically separate itself from the external world ?
 

solarz

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I guess all the China basher are angry and frustrated now that their "Chernobyl moment" DOES NOT come to fruition and after this incident the CCP will smell like roses compare to you know who. And they blame left and right from WHO to Science magazine for praising China effort to curb the epidemic instead of criticizing CCP . And as always they quote China basher like Munk school of Global affair in Toronto

Don’t Let the Chinese Government Escape Blame for Coronavirus’s Initial Spread
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From almost the very beginning of the COVID-19/coronavirus crisis in January and early February, it’s
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whether it might be the “Chinese Chernobyl.” Could the crisis expose the weakness of the mix of oppression, information control, and social disgust that underpin the Chinese Communist regime and trigger its collapse? Others have
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that it might instead be “president Xi Jinping’s Tiananmen,” meaning he will use all the tools at his disposal to tighten down and prevent, well . . . a Chinese Chernobyl.


It is too soon to know what may happen. But it’s not too soon for attempts to whitewash the timeline and Chinese-government actions in the earliest moments of the crisis. Indeed, even now, the level of public anxiety about both the virus and what the Chinese government is doing and saying about it remain high.

It is helpful to review the current status and the timeline that got us here. On Monday, February 24, the World Health Organization determined that reported cases of COVID-19/coronavirus had peaked. At the time, there were about 76,000 reported cases in China, and about 1,800 cases elsewhere in the world. In the United States, there were 14 reported cases. As of March 7, the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and state and local public health reporting suggest the number is more than 300 cases, a twenty-fold increase. Globally, there are more than 100,000 cases, with more than 350 deaths in Italy alone.

The world has barely begun to reckon with what the Chinese government claims to have gotten under control. It’s true that forced quarantining and other extreme measures in China played a critical role. The World Health Organization report of its February mission to China praises the PRC for its response: “The response structures in China were rapidly put in place according to existing emergency plans and aligned from the top to the bottom. This was replicated at the four levels of government (national, provincial, prefecture and county/district).” The leader of the World Health Organization mission to China in February, Canadian epidemiologist Dr. Bruce Aylward, encouraged the world to “access the expertise of China,” adding that “if I had COVID-19, I’d want to be treated in China.”

But the WHO report and subsequent reporting about what the world can learn from China represents a real-time cleansing of the actual record, a record that includes intentional obfuscation and failure to respond in the early stages of the crisis. This includes the government’s early attempts to stifle communication about the virus, the censorship of doctors and others on social media as cases were being observed in late December, and the continuing suppression of information on social media across the country about how the government, from President Xi Jinping to local administrators, continues to mislead the public and the rest of the world.

On March 3, researchers at the University of Toronto Munk School of Global Affairs and Public Policy published “Censured Contagion,” a report that meticulously documents a timeline and body of facts that paint quite a different picture than the WHO report, and placing WHO’s accolades for China’s “response structures” that were “rapidly put in place” in doubt. The WHO report concludes that the beginning of the epidemic was December 30, 2019, with the collection of samples from a pneumonia patient in Wuhan Jinyintan Hospital. Data provided in graphics in the

Just ignore these kinds of trash. Don't give them your time.
 

OppositeDay

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It is wishful thinking.

All measure done by everyone just slow down the virus, doesn't stop it.

It will stop only when over 50% of the population will be immune.
But they have to catch it first.

It will be like the chickenpox . Everyone will catch it in early years ,or there will be a mandatory vaccine in young age for all child.

Say China will be free from it with extreme cost, and at the same time all africa , banglades ,thailand ect will catch it , become immune with marginal viral carriers.

What will China do ?
Hermetically separate itself from the external world ?

Agree and the Chinese government understands it well. The WHO lead in the WHO-China joint mission said in a press briefing that all officials in China knew the outbreak won't be over anytime soon.

Meanwhile, a new permanent 1,000 beds hospital specialized for treating infectious disease has been built in Shenzhen:
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Beijing is rebuilding the famed SARS-era Xiaotangshan hospital into a permanent 1,500 beds infectious disease hospital:
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Similar projects are happening all over China.

China's leading biotech company BGI has upgraded its Wuhan 'Fire-Eye' lab to process 20,000 PCR tests per day. They have already built similar labs in Shenzhen, Tianjin, Changsha, Shijiazhuang and Beijing. New labs in Shanghai, Chongqing, Kunming, Qingdao and Guiyang are under-construction.
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China is in this for the long haul.
 
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Hendrik_2000

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But there no doubt that they break the epidemic
China's Wuhan closes all 16 temporary hospitals
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Real Joy. One of the nurse said I am proud wearing white. China prove their mettle in face of unprecedent danger
One of the patient said I am particularly thank team from Fujian who save my father from the brink of death
 
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supersnoop

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All your apps track you via gps or wifi so they can combine all that information.

That part I understand (PS, has anyone ever looked at their "Google Timeline"? This will tell you the level of data that can be extracted!)
However, the combination is the secret sauce, how is it accomplished exactly?

Taking an example from Toronto, one infected person had taken a bus from the airport. Let's imagine this was China and they had checked in with an app to board. Once they confirm a positive case, now the authorities can trace all other passengers and they would be flagged too. Let's say after testing all bus passengers, one other person got infected, then they could trace if they ate at a Restaurant (and paid by app), but how far does it go to assign risk, does every one at the restaurant get tested now? How useful would this new level of data be to health workers and researchers? (Too much, still not enough, about the same as 10 years ago?)
 

localizer

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That part I understand (PS, has anyone ever looked at their "Google Timeline"? This will tell you the level of data that can be extracted!)
However, the combination is the secret sauce, how is it accomplished exactly?

Taking an example from Toronto, one infected person had taken a bus from the airport. Let's imagine this was China and they had checked in with an app to board. Once they confirm a positive case, now the authorities can trace all other passengers and they would be flagged too. Let's say after testing all bus passengers, one other person got infected, then they could trace if they ate at a Restaurant (and paid by app), but how far does it go to assign risk, does every one at the restaurant get tested now? How useful would this new level of data be to health workers and researchers? (Too much, still not enough, about the same as 10 years ago?)

Probably machine learning is used as well. Also China has cameras everywhere and can keep tabs on you as well.

I doubt they will publish how they’re tracking people.
 

OppositeDay

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That part I understand (PS, has anyone ever looked at their "Google Timeline"? This will tell you the level of data that can be extracted!)
However, the combination is the secret sauce, how is it accomplished exactly?

Taking an example from Toronto, one infected person had taken a bus from the airport. Let's imagine this was China and they had checked in with an app to board. Once they confirm a positive case, now the authorities can trace all other passengers and they would be flagged too. Let's say after testing all bus passengers, one other person got infected, then they could trace if they ate at a Restaurant (and paid by app), but how far does it go to assign risk, does every one at the restaurant get tested now? How useful would this new level of data be to health workers and researchers? (Too much, still not enough, about the same as 10 years ago?)

Special apps are only needed for the metro because of multiple cars per train. Most Chinese cities use smart cards for public transports so it's easy to trace who gets on/off a bus and when. All buses have CCTV cameras so once you have the boarding/departing time you can trace the at risk passengers.

Restaurants (except the hole-in-the-wall type) would have a computer based system with which the waiting staffs send the order electronically to the kitchen, so order time/payment time/table number should be recorded alongside the payment information. Restaurants without modern management system are often small, so just go over the CCTV footage?
 
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