Coronavirus 2019-2020 thread (no unsubstantiated rumours!)

[henrik]

That's true in general of many Western pharmaceutical companies. However, in the case of China's pharma, there isn't such an onerous record of selection bias. There's a lot of evidence that Pfizer played around with numbers to get to those high 90+ percent vaccine efficacy figures. The debate over how "useless" China's vaccines are stems largely from their comparatively low efficacy after 2 shots. However, what isn't mentioned nearly as often is the T-Cell response China's vaccines elicit after COVID infection, which is far superior to MRNA vaccines. If this evidence holds true, then it's likely that after all is said and done, the death rates in China will be significantly lower than those places that only took mRNA vaccines.

Why does not China advertise how their vaccines are far superior to mRNA vaccines?

 

[Biscuits]

Why does not China advertise how their vaccines are far superior to mRNA vaccines?

Afaik the capacity to make them isn't too high. Its roughly enough for China itself, for some PR operations with foreign elites that want slightly better immunity, for some humanitarian aid packages, and 1 or 2 middle eastern oil countries that can afford it.

And they're not really far superior, it depends on which variant wave.

 

[ansy1968]

Why does not China advertise how their vaccines are far superior to mRNA vaccines?

Cause the Collective West had already have an opinion about China, so why waste time, they won't buy it anyway and it's better to concentrate to people and nation that needed most and let your product do the talking. You never heard any complain from Indonesia, UAE, Cambodia, Brazil and others, in fact they haven't have any large cases, proof of the effectiveness of the Chinese vaccine.

 

[ansy1968]

And one more thing, I'm feeling a shift in attitude among the Gen Z here in the Philippines, perception is changing as China grow in strength. I may add with economic malaise in the Collective West with incoherent and hubris policy, being Asian and particularly Chinese is beautiful. We just focus on improving ourselves and let the Collective West embarrass themselves with false propaganda and fake news.

 

[Quickie]

That's true in general of many Western pharmaceutical companies. However, in the case of China's pharma, there isn't such an onerous record of selection bias. There's a lot of evidence that Pfizer played around with numbers to get to those high 90+ percent vaccine efficacy figures. The debate over how "useless" China's vaccines are stems largely from their comparatively low efficacy after 2 shots. However, what isn't mentioned nearly as often is the T-Cell response China's vaccines elicit after COVID infection, which is far superior to MRNA vaccines. If this evidence holds true, then it's likely that after all is said and done, the death rates in China will be significantly lower than those places that only took mRNA vaccines.

The crazy thing is the mRNA manufacturer admitted in its briefing to the members of the European Parliament that the vaccine was never tested for efficacy in preventing the spread of Covid infections.

And yet in those early days of vaccination, we often heard in the news media of mRNA efficacies in the high nineties percent in preventing infection and even claims of no problem in breakthrough infections unlike "the dubious at best" Chinese inactivated vaccines. And when the tides of infections continue to ebb and flow without any end in sight in countries that were highly vaccinated in mRNA vaccines, the narratives had since long morphed to that vaccines are only meant to prevent serious illness and death, forget about preventing infections. The high percentage of breakthrough infections is conveniently blamed on the new variants of the virus.

 

[BlackWindMnt]

The crazy thing is the mRNA manufacturer admitted in its briefing to the members of the European Parliament that the vaccine was never tested for efficacy in preventing the spread of Covid infections.

And yet in those early days of vaccination, we often heard in the news media of mRNA efficacies in the high nineties percent in preventing infection and even claims of no problem in breakthrough infections unlike "the dubious at best" Chinese inactivated vaccines. And when the tides of infections continue to ebb and flow without any end in sight in countries that were highly vaccinated in mRNA vaccines, the narratives had since long morphed to that vaccines are only meant to prevent serious illness and death, forget about preventing infections. The high percentage of breakthrough infections is conveniently blamed on the new variants of the virus.

Thats why you have youtube influencer saying that they changed the definition of what a vaccine is in 2021.

 

[supercat]

Peak infection in large Chinese cities is coming to an end. Whether there will be peak infection in less densely populated small cities and rural areas is hard to say at this point. Currently, 8% of COVID patients have pneumonia. The ICU bed utility rate is 80%.

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[KYli]

mRNA vaccines contain 10 to 30 times more dosages per shot than other vaccines including inactivated which is probably the reason why mRNA vaccines produce more antibodies and initially seem to be better at preventing infections.

However, whatever mRNA vaccines temporary bring is short live as we can see the virus quickly finds a way around it and since then infections, hospitalizations and deaths prevention from mRNA vaccines have been unimpressive. Unless, the government planning to inject vaccines every few months, mRNA vaccines don't have any advantages against traditional vaccines and probably have many disadvantages such as stronger side effects and mRNA booster shots seem to be underwhelming.

 

[henrik]

Afaik the capacity to make them isn't too high. Its roughly enough for China itself, for some PR operations with foreign elites that want slightly better immunity, for some humanitarian aid packages, and 1 or 2 middle eastern oil countries that can afford it.

And they're not really far superior, it depends on which variant wave.

There is this narrative in MSM that Chinese vaccines are inferior. Now that China is opening rapidly, therefore cases will surge due to inferior vaccines and therefore supply chain will be affected and western countries should test all Chinese travelers. That is why China should advertise how their vaccines are just as effective as mRNA vaccines, not for exporting these Chinese vaccines, but for correcting this unfair misunderstanding.

 

[Biscuits]

There is this narrative in MSM that Chinese vaccines are inferior. Now that China is opening rapidly, therefore cases will surge due to inferior vaccines and therefore supply chain will be affected and western countries should test all Chinese travelers. That is why China should advertise how their vaccines are just as effective as mRNA vaccines, not for exporting these Chinese vaccines, but for correcting this unfair misunderstanding.

You mean the misinfo spread among US state media which also costed them a ton of lives?

There is no way China can affect what Washington decides to say home. It is a closed loop system.

China is already advertising vaccines as well as selling them, if the recipient is able to secure a contract. The score is already "corrected" among anyone who isn't either retarded or on Washington payroll.

And the results of each vaccine can be seen clear as day: only some nations have millions of deaths despite vaccines while others had vaccines which accurately prevented near all serious cases.