Coronavirus 2019-2020 thread (no unsubstantiated rumours!)

Quan8410

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Well the biggest mistake of China is too soft on its citizens. Allowing people not vaccinated is too lenient. I know Chinese people respect the elder but elder or not, in front of law, all people are equal. If vaccine mandate in place in the first place, no country or no one can critisize China for opening up.
 

KYli

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Well the biggest mistake of China is too soft on its citizens. Allowing people not vaccinated is too lenient. I know Chinese people respect the elder but elder or not, in front of law, all people are equal. If vaccine mandate in place in the first place, no country or no one can critisize China for opening up.
Even if China vaccinates all its population, the West would still be able to find something to criticize China. MSM doesn't care about deaths in China. MSM only cares that if it could demonize China in every chance it can get. It doesn't matter what China does or doesn't do.

As for mandatory vaccination, I personally do support it. But I can see why the Chinese government doesn't want to implement such policy.
 

Hadoren

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Anglo racists always talk about the shortage of anti-fever medicine like paracetamol or ibuprofen.

However, anti-fever medication doesn't kill COVID viruses. It just suppresses your immune system.

Fever is created by your body to fight disease. Fever is your immune system's way of killing viruses, forcing you to stay in bed to recover, and racketing up the creation of white blood cells.

Imo when you suppress your fever, that's not a good thing. Anti-fever medication probably feels great the first few days. But on week two COVID starts hitting your lungs (if things go wrong). If you suppressed your fever that was supposed to kill COVID viruses in the initial infection, you may be in a worse condition.

Now, medical studies say that taking anti-fever medication like ibuprofen doesn't statistically increase your chances of death. And for what it's worth, I believe them. It is interesting, however, that people who take anti-fever medication like ibuprofen often suffer higher death rates in those studies (6.3% death rate versus 6.1% death rate
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So a shortage of anti-fever medication in China makes no difference. These medications don't work, don't kill the COVID virus, and probably raise the death rate by suppressing your immune system. If nobody in China had anti-fever medication, I bet deaths would decrease.

(Note that this doesn't apply for stuff like Paxlovid, which is the very very rare drug that actually does kill the COVID virus.)
 

Quickie

Colonel
What is wrong with WHO nowadays making political-like statements like China is not sharing enough Covid data?

As it has turned out, from a 4th Jan 2023 WHO report, the Covid variants submitted by China's NHC to WHO are the same as those detected from Chinese travelers worldwide.

 
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baykalov

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The aviation industry's hopes for a big boost in passenger numbers from China are being dashed by the growing number of countries imposing COVID measures on people traveling from there.

On Thursday, airline and airport lobbies put out a joint statement to "lament" Wednesday's decision by EU countries to strongly recommend that travelers from China undergo a COVID test before arriving in Europe, calling it a "knee-jerk reaction."

Airlines for Europe, the International Air Transport Association (IATA) and the Airports Council International said that's not in line with an assessment by the European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control finding that the ongoing COVID surge in China is unlikely to affect the epidemiological situation in the EU.

The EU steps are part of a broader wariness toward travelers from China as coronavirus numbers have soared after the government ditched its prior draconian zero-COVID policy. The United States, Canada, France, Italy, Japan, the U.K. and Sweden have all said passengers will have to take COVID tests; Germany joined suit on Thursday.

That's not good news for the aviation sector, which saw the reopening of the huge Chinese market as the final piece of its pandemic recovery plan.

Angry airlines​

Although the measures now being put into place are a far cry from earlier pandemic lockdowns, they still elicited a furious response from the industry.

“It is extremely disappointing to see this knee-jerk reinstatement of measures that have proven ineffective over the last three years,” Willie Walsh, IATA director general, said Wednesday.

He called for governments to "base their decisions on ‘science facts’ rather than ‘science politics.’”

Eric Drésin, secretary-general of the European Travel Agents' and Tour Operators' Associations, said capitals are acting “more for populist reasons rather than to attain public health goals.”

Any dampened interest will come as a blow to Europe’s beleaguered travel sector. Strickland said there had been evidence from search engines of "strong consumer interest for travel from China as the opportunity arises."

Chinese tourists are important to the European economy.

“Not only in Paris or London or those traditional destinations. [Chinese travelers] go everywhere — they really want to enjoy all parts of the Continent,” Drésin said.
 

Biscuits

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[citations needed] (studies by researchers with zero financial ties to Pfizer only)
I'll preface by saying I haven't made an academic level inquiry into how well it works or how exactly it works.

But it seems to be some protease inhibitor (anti virus reproduction) kinda like ritonavir which are well proven drugs, afaik there are already multiple on the market from different makers.

So purely from a mechanical perspective I don't think there's anything unsafe.

Now what is the catch, with such antiviral drugs, its that it is something you give to people who are very sick, so they have a chance to quicker recover. Or they may not recover at all. It is not anywhere near as effective as antibiotics is against bacteria.

The problem made by omicron is that people get fever for a few days, are unable to go to their jobs, so you have a big wave and it could cause temporary shut downs, like what happened mid December in China. Even if you distribute antiviral pills everywhere, it will not work.
 

supercat

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Not something to cheer, but in an case of irony, a boba lib "writer/reporter" who retweeted anti-lock down tweets, also writes of her unvacinated mother's death from the ending of zero - covid

As though we need more proof that Chinese female diaspora "journalist/commentator" is one of the worst in terms of bashing anything China. BTW, I have no interest or patience to read her article. I'm just curious why her mother did not take any vaccine? Because she told her mother that Chinese vaccines were no good?

CanSino's mRNA vaccine is effective against some Omicron sub-variants during the phase II clinical trial.
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