Coronavirus 2019-2020 thread (no unsubstantiated rumours!)

[Bellum_Romanum]





Emergency ward opposite my apartment, seems normal. Week 2 of loosening up, 50% of the people in my company infected, half had no symptoms, another half had mild fevers, and one had 39deg fever, no hospitalizations. I am 3 dose sinopharm, i exposed myself on purpose to an infected colleague in the same bus. Still not infected after a week.

He had to appear strong and confident, in front of all people, especially when he met with all the other world leaders.

Wtf are you even talking about? You're making shit up and is simply projecting a probability and not stating a fact of which you implied with your post.

Mr. MRnA vaccine salesman, we need to reign in our nonsensical tendencies or at least preface our statement with a disclaimer with respect to people and issues we have no knowledge and evidence to show.

If Xi was wearing a mask in front of world leaders how is Xi making himself appear weak? Please explain this shit..

 

[chlosy]

indeed. doing a vaccination mandate, getting people vaccinated, then doing a gradual loosening of restrictions is a process that would take months. By the time the protests started it was already vastly late to correct course I guess. Although maybe the protestors would've let off if they got a clear and detailed off-ramp plan from the govt.

I think the bigger question is, which made in China vaccine do you use? Even the original Pfizer vaccine had limited effectivity against Omicron

 

[Quickie]

I think the bigger question is, which made in China vaccine do you use? Even the original Pfizer vaccine had limited effectivity against Omicron

There is just too much politicking on the effectiveness of the different types of vaccines.

Youtube is full of these bull..sts including this:

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I was curious about the video host's comment about Bangladesh having had problem using Chinese vaccines. But is it in actuality that inactivated vaccines are that bad?

I did a bit of a quick search on Bangladesh on the JBU site and found it to be way at the bottom with the following seemingly unbelievable stats (Meanwhile, Japan and South Korea (with mRNA) are still among the top.) with a population much larger than these countries.

Bangladesh

28-Day: 534 | 7

Totals: 2,037,003 | 29,438

That is with the country primarily using Chinese Sinopharm and Sinovac vaccines, i.e. 2/3 of the vaccinated!

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Now is it also a coincidence that Cambodia, which is using mainly the above 2 inactivated vaccines, has had zero deaths for quite a while?

Cambodia

28-Day: 421 | 0

Totals: 138,484 | 3,056

 

[Quickie]

There is just too much politicking on the effectiveness of the different types of vaccines.

Youtube is full of these bull..sts including this:

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I was curious about the video host's comment about Bangladesh having had problem using Chinese vaccines. But is it in actuality that inactivated vaccines are that bad?

I did a bit of a quick search on Bangladesh on the JBU site and found it to be way at the bottom with the following seemingly unbelievable stats (Meanwhile, Japan and South Korea (with mRNA) are still among the top.) with a population much larger than these countries.

Bangladesh

28-Day: 534 | 7

Totals: 2,037,003 | 29,438

That is with the country primarily using Chinese Sinopharm and Sinovac vaccines, i.e. 2/3 of the vaccinated!

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Now is it also a coincidence that Cambodia, which is using mainly the above 2 inactivated vaccines, has had zero deaths for quite a while?

Cambodia

28-Day: 421 | 0

Totals: 138,484 | 3,056

Just to clarify what "among the top" means, the JBU website sorts the number of infections from highest to lowest. So the tops have the highest infections.

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[Icmer]

There is just too much politicking on the effectiveness of the different types of vaccines.

Youtube is full of these bull..sts including this:

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I was curious about the video host's comment about Bangladesh having had problem using Chinese vaccines. But is it in actuality that inactivated vaccines are that bad?

I did a bit of a quick search on Bangladesh on the JBU site and found it to be way at the bottom with the following seemingly unbelievable stats (Meanwhile, Japan and South Korea (with mRNA) are still among the top.) with a population much larger than these countries.

Bangladesh

28-Day: 534 | 7

Totals: 2,037,003 | 29,438

That is with the country primarily using Chinese Sinopharm and Sinovac vaccines, i.e. 2/3 of the vaccinated!

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Now is it also a coincidence that Cambodia, which is using mainly the above 2 inactivated vaccines, has had zero deaths for quite a while?

Cambodia

28-Day: 421 | 0

Totals: 138,484 | 3,056

Hong Kong and Singapore have detailed data on their efficacy against deaths relative to mRNA and they do not show what you are implying.

There are reports of specific prominent people’s deaths in excess of the total mortality figures for the past month. It’s impossible for reasonable people to defend that there have only been around 2 deaths reported in the past 20 days.

 

[KYli]

There are reports of specific prominent people’s deaths in excess of the total mortality figures for the past month. It’s impossible for reasonable people to defend that there have only been around 2 deaths reported in the past 20 days.

Firstly, 7 deaths were reported over last 20 days not 2. Secondly, China has announced that it would only count deaths due to respiratory failures as COVID deaths which is a very strict criteria to meet. Thirdly, Bloomberg has already claimed that China has 37 million cases in a single day and estimation of 5000 deaths per day. Lastly, most MSM is claiming that China is doomed and that they have decided to increase mortality projection from 500,000 to 2 millions. Since MSM is already making up their own number, any reasonable person should just take MSM estimation as a fact.

 

[tokenanalyst]

Hong Kong and Singapore have detailed data on their efficacy against deaths relative to mRNA and they do not show what you are implying.

There are reports of specific prominent people’s deaths in excess of the total mortality figures for the past month. It’s impossible for reasonable people to defend that there have only been around 2 deaths reported in the past 20 days.

Who cares, numbers are only useful for policy making, anything else is just for show, why are we even counting cases and deaths if nobody is even using a f*cking mask anymore.

 

[MortyandRick]

Hong Kong and Singapore have detailed data on their efficacy against deaths relative to mRNA and they do not show what you are implying.

Interesting. Can you show or link the data? Is it corrected for base line patient risk factors, characteristics, exposure risk? Is it a double blinded controlled trial or retrospective review or cohort study or just patient database?

Unless you can answer those questions, your comment is useless.

 

[tokenanalyst]

Firstly, 7 deaths were reported over last 20 days not 2. Secondly, China has announced that it would only count deaths due to respiratory failures as COVID deaths which is a very strict criteria to meet. Thirdly, Bloomberg has already claimed that China has 37 million cases in a single day and estimation of 5000 deaths per day. Lastly, most MSM is claiming that China is doomed and that they have decided to increase mortality projection from 500,000 to 2 millions. Since MSM is already making up their own number, any reasonable person should just take MSM estimation as a fact.

If 37 million are being infected daily that means that this is the fastest spreading virus in human history, way faster than measles, at that rate most people in China will be infected in the next few weeks. which is weird because the population density in China is 150 hab/km2 compared with other places in Asia is low. Maybe the Chinese are dealing with a more stealthy Omicron variant, who knows.

I think 400K for a 40-60% of the population is a reasonable number.

 

[Icmer]

Interesting. Can you show or link the data? Is it corrected for base line patient risk factors, characteristics, exposure risk? Is it a double blinded controlled trial or retrospective review or cohort study or just patient database?

Unless you can answer those questions, your comment is useless.

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Among 2 441 581 eligible individuals (1 279 047 [52.4%] women, 846 110 (34.7%) aged 60 years and older), there were 319 943 (13.1%) confirmed SARS-CoV-2 infections, of which 1513 (0.4%) were severe COVID-19 cases. mRNA booster effectiveness against confirmed infection 15 to 60 days after boosting was estimated to range from 31.7% to 41.3% for the 4 boosting combinations (homologous BNT162b2, homologous mRNA-1273, 2-dose BNT162b2/mRNA-1273 booster, and 2-dose mRNA-1273/BNT162b2 booster). Five months and more after boosting, estimated booster effectiveness against confirmed infection waned, ranging from -2.8% to 14.6%. Against severe COVID-19, estimated mRNA booster effectiveness was 87.4% (95% CI, 83.3%-90.5%) 15 to 60 days after boosting and 87.2% (95% CI, 84.2%-89.7%) 5 to 6 months after boosting, with no significant difference comparing vaccine combinations. Booster effectiveness against severe COVID-19 15 days to 330 days after 3-dose inactivated COVID-19 vaccination, regardless of combination, was estimated to be 69.6% (95% CI, 48.7%-81.9%).

These results suggest that booster mRNA vaccine protection was durable against severe COVID-19 over 6 months regardless of vaccine combination, and 3-dose inactivated SARS-CoV-2 vaccination provided greater protection than 2-dose inactivated SARS-COV-2 vaccine but less protection compared with 3-dose mRNA.

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A recent study based on local data by National Centre for Infectious Diseases (NCID) and the Ministry of Health’s (MOH) COVID-19 Data Management and Analytics Team found that individuals who received two doses of the Sinovac-CoronaVac COVID-19 vaccine were observed to have lower protection against severe disease from infection with the Delta variant compared to those who received two doses of Pfizer-BioNTech/Comirnaty or Moderna mRNA vaccine. This supports the need for three doses of Sinovac-Coronavac vaccine as a primary series.

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Between Dec 31, 2020, and March 16, 2022, 13·2 million vaccine doses were administered in Hong Kong's 7·4-million population. We analysed data from confirmed cases with mild or moderate (n=5566), severe or fatal (n=8875), and fatal (n=6866) COVID-19. Two doses of either vaccine protected against severe disease and death within 28 days of a positive test, with higher effectiveness among adults aged 60 years or older with BNT162b2 (vaccine effectiveness 89·3% [95% CI 86·6–91·6]) compared with CoronaVac (69·9% [64·4–74·6]). Three doses of either vaccine offered very high levels of protection against severe or fatal outcomes (97·9% [97·3–98·4]).

Note that China's rate of third dose/booster vaccination, especially among the elderly, is relatively low.

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Two doses of either vaccine did not provide significant protection against COVID-19 infection. However, receipt of a BNT162b2 booster or CoronaVac booster was associated with a significantly lower risk of omicron BA.2 infection and symptomatic infection. Our findings confirm the effectiveness of booster doses to protect against mild and asymptomatic infection.

The data are all adjusted for demographic characteristics. No one is still doing double-blind randomized controlled trials because they are impossible to conduct with widely vaccinated/infected populations, so any insistence on it belies an utter lack of familiarity with current scientific data on the pandemic. Next you're going to tell me none of it is reputable because Hong Kongers and Singaporeans are traitors.