Coronavirus 2019-2020 thread (no unsubstantiated rumours!)

[zhangjim]

I got delta and omicron. Omicron is much less severe than delta. I think number of deaths will be much lower than 1 million.

There are still few people on the street, only a few vehicles. The Chinese people attach great importance to cherishing life.
But the real problem is the Spring Festival transportation.
I don't know how many people will get in and out of the railway station early next year. However, my grandfather has planned not to allow relatives to visit for the time being.
There is no hospital in my city that provides Covid-19 testing, but my company has always asked me to provide testing certificates.
I had to ask my supervisor for advice. He said, "There are few people in the company now. You'd better recuperate at home first.".

We can intuitively see that children are also high-risk groups：

 

[supercat]

Yes, that may help. Hopefully, most of the elders have been vaccinated with 2 doses and passed the 6 months optimal time for the third dose. Those who have just been vaccinated with 2 doses would still risk a slightly reduced vaccine protection until they can get the third dose.

I think China is giving the 3rd dose 3 months after the 2nd dose, not 6 months.

Hopefully, the cases have peaked, or soon to peak, in Beijing:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1605134512907644928

 

[Eventine]

My personal belief is that the government planned to reopen next spring when the first Chinese mRNA and new Omicron based inactivated vaccines are ready. But that the speed of the mutations and the infectiveness of recent strains forced their hand.

Essentially the choice was to lock down even harder (since the more infective a virus is, the harder it is to achieve zero infections), or open back up. This so called “moderated reopening” the Western media keeps soap boxing about was never an option because they had already lost control with the latest strain and there was no way to regain it without a Shanghai style lock down across all first tier cities. One that has to be even more harsh.

Doing this during the Spring Festival was considered politically disastrous and so the call was made to reopen early before the vaccines were ready. Unfortunate situation for sure and one where the Chinese government ultimately had to adapt to nature’s fury. But we shouldn’t forget in the middle of all the propaganda that this is still much better than what the West managed ie reopen in the middle of delta after never having effectively locked down at all. Sure the West looks “better” now but that’s just because the hurricane has already wrecked them and passed on while it’s just hitting China now but much weakened due to the decision to lock down.

 

[Quan8410]

My personal belief is that the government planned to reopen next spring when the first Chinese mRNA and new Omicron based inactivated vaccines are ready. But that the speed of the mutations and the infectiveness of recent strains forced their hand.

Mods should really consider banning the term mRNA from now on. Whenever mRNA mentioned just create unnecessary quarrels.

 

[FriedRiceNSpice]

A warning. China is open to covid-19. The situation is critical, hospitals are on the way to being overrun. Many have died(old and unhealthy ones most, for now.), and the government number is unbelievable for the government now lacks the ability to track and identify skyrocket infected people.

Perhaps government won't be able to track all the infections given most people are experiencing mild symptoms or are asymptomatic but certainly they can track deaths to Covid. Most people getting it recover and are back to work within days so cut it out with this doom and gloom BS.

 

[xlitter]

But western vaccines companies are not even offering their newest version for omicron, oh no no , "those are for the West only", they want to China to buy the backlog of vaccines that the newest variants rendered useless because they only considered the spike protein.

It would best to invest and test for the newest gen of nasal sprayed vaccines, that could probably generate a faster immune response in the infection point and/or combine it with other omicron specific vaccines.

China has a lot of vaccine programs for the population, and there is no need for Pfizer vaccines at all!

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[xlitter]

Who says it is OK to reopen? I am always against opening now. I only support reopening in Mar or April. That has been my position for sometime now. Just because the Chinese government was forced to reopen doesn't mean it is OK. Don't try to generalize people. Nobody is saying Omicron would get less toxic. It is ridiculous that you are putting stuffs on others people' mouth.

Many members think long covid is a much more serious concern and benefits of reopening might not be that great. It is debatable. From my perspective, it seems long covid has been a problem for advance countries such as the US and the EU but not so much of a problem for ASEAN and many developing countries.



Over 90% of Chinese have been vaccinated and over 60% of them are boosted. It is a much better number than many countries. It is just many Westerners have no idea that it isn't easy to get elderly to be vaccinated in China. The government has always been trying to vaccinate elderly but without much of a success. Right now, due to reopening, many elderly finally were persuaded due to fear to be vaccinated. But the percentage of elderly got vaccinated is still insufficient. More work needs to be done. Again, don't try to twist the fact.

More importantly, many members here recommended mandatory vaccination for elderly so China could reopen early. But the Chinese government chose to not do so.

What a joke? Using mRNA or not using mRNA isn't an issue for me. Personally I got vaccinated with mRNA. Of course I don't get a choice as mRNA is the only type of vaccines that were available. However, it is the fact that my friend got miscarriage and blamed it on mRNA which I don't know if it is true or just mere an coincidence have me concern. And a few lady friends have their menstruation cycle gotten very irregular for almost a year but their doctors kept insisting isn't the vaccine which is now proven wrong. As mRNA does affect menstruation cycle. In addition, myocarditis cases for youngsters after taking mRNA vaccines have also been proven to be true. All of these point to the fact that mRNA is rushed to the frontline without enough of testing and data.

More importantly, it is jut that there is no point of approving mRNA vaccines as mRNA vaccines don't offer much of benefits and have more side effects. In fact, there are a few local mRNA vaccines that are available for many many months already but the Chinese government just didn't approve them.

However, it doesn't mean that the Chinese government is against mRNA vaccines. Actually, the Chinese government is very supportive of mRNA vaccines. It has granted many funds for developing mRNA and building manufacturing plants for mRNA.

From my perspective, mRNA as a new type of vaccine shouldn't be vaccinated on the whole population. But mRNA vaccines should still be developed for various diseases and applications. If the benefits outweigh the risk, mRNA should be used. For covid, there already are many very good vaccines that are used by China. mRNA just doesn't offer much of benefit to be approved. If the Chinese government decided to approve mRNA, it is fine with me. Doesn't mean I agree with the Chinese government.

Although, given the fact that the forth dose for elderly didn't offer mRNA, I have my doubt mRNA vaccines would be used as vaccination and booster campaign would soon end after rollout of forth dose. I don't think the Chinese government would offer yearly booster. Much more likely vaccination against covid would be made optional like flu shot.

The fourth dose recommended in China is almost all recombinant vaccines, there is no mrna vaccine, and it is recommended that people who are 60 years old, have serious underlying diseases, and those with weak immunity be vaccinated!

 

[tokenanalyst]

DUV disinfection idea.

 

[abc123]

It's really astonishing reading all this scareposting about COVID. A China, country that want's to be a future superpower No1, is literaly shaking and apparently descendig into a chaos because one tiny virus? Come on, be serious. I live about 2 km from one European country that had allmost no COVID measures all this time ( they had them officially, but 90% of people disn't respect them )- and what happned? Did they all die? Did the hospitals were fully clogged? Did the country descend into chaos and rioting? No, some people died, yes- there was larger number of people in hospitals, but the most continued their normal lives. And now, allmost nobody remembers COVID anymore.

 

[ht1688]

DUV disinfection idea.

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Nature had an article on far UV. The idea is that at wavelength below 222nm or so, the light doesn't penetrate the dead cells on our skin nor the films on our eyes. But it would kill bacteria and viruses. This is still being experimented. This article also mentions upper room installed germicidal UV (probably similar to above) that can easily reach 2 to 3 times air changes per hour above what is targeted for exam rooms in a hospital. That would mean 12 to 18 times air exchanges per hour.

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China should be installing these everywhere.