China has already approved a few nasal sprayed vaccines. It is just that vaccination rollout is focusing upon people didn't get their 3 doses and elderly and immunocompromised people for 4 doses.
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Did a status check this past week on my friends and family in Beijing (around 100 of them inc their family), seems like every one of them got covid in the last few weeks with varying degree of symptoms. None of them serious though to go to hospital and they were all vaccinated 3 doses plus. A little weird that it seems it was mostly the adult male in the 30s/40s that felt it the most, like a man flu, where as the women and kids were over it within a day or 2. Hopefully this is a sign throughout the city and they have rode out the peak.
I think most analysts believe Beijing and a few provinces are at its peak at the moment. However, many provinces are still just getting hit with a big wave. Majority of them would be peak in Jan. Rural areas would probably be hit during Feb. By March or April, things should start to move back to normal.
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Same with most of my peers in China, almost all have caught it but are vaccinated so some are knocked out with flu symptoms but don't need to be hospitalized while others are getting over it in 1-3 days. There was originally a panic when the virus started spreading rapidly after measures were lifted, but it seems within a week or two it'll stabilize.
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How many folks do you know in China? Considering China hasn't reopened the border with many places yet, those going through the trouble of going abroad to get the MRNA vaccine still have to put up with quarantine when they return. IE. something only the really priveleged Chinese can afford and there may be a few, but I doubt they're large enough to impact anything.
As of now, almost all Chinese living in a COVID hotzone have already got it once and judging by a combination of the reports we're seeing as well as testimonies from friends back home, most are symptomatic but are okay and already getting over it.
It is amazing that all of a sudden, it is now okay to reopen the country. Just 2 weeks ago people were still claiming that it is best to reopen in spring 2023 or even later, because omicron will be less toxic and therefore less chance of getting long covid symptoms.
Now instead of relentless testing, they recommend vaccination of boosters, which is something they should have done long ago, instead of testing a hundred times.
The next move by the government will be the approval of local mRNA vaccines. By that time all anti-mRNA people will again all of a sudden pivot and support such vaccines.
Now instead of relentless testing, they recommend vaccination of boosters, which is something they should have done long ago, instead of testing a hundred times.
The next move by the government will be the approval of local mRNA vaccines. By that time all anti-mRNA people will again all of a sudden pivot and support such vaccines.
Your constant shilling of mRNA vaccines is based on ignorance of biology.
The government just follows what their consultant medical experts and scientists say... Most random people will not have the same info access as they do.
And we do see now that there is no mass death, or even enough deaths to matter.
The population have been widely incoluated with the best vaccines money can buy. They're cautious and widely limit spreading by staying at home when sick.
Reason which people were apprehensive about the right time to open up were because they did not have access to the same data as the government. They did not want lockdowns for the sake of lockdowns, they wanted to prevent mass deaths, and they have been vindicated by the government's latest move.
Who says it is OK to reopen? I am always against opening now. I only support reopening in Mar or April. That has been my position for sometime now. Just because the Chinese government was forced to reopen doesn't mean it is OK. Don't try to generalize people. Nobody is saying Omicron would get less toxic. It is ridiculous that you are putting stuffs on others people' mouth.
Many members think long covid is a much more serious concern and benefits of reopening might not be that great. It is debatable. From my perspective, it seems long covid has been a problem for advance countries such as the US and the EU but not so much of a problem for ASEAN and many developing countries.
Over 90% of Chinese have been vaccinated and over 60% of them are boosted. It is a much better number than many countries. It is just many Westerners have no idea that it isn't easy to get elderly to be vaccinated in China. The government has always been trying to vaccinate elderly but without much of a success. Right now, due to reopening, many elderly finally were persuaded due to fear to be vaccinated. But the percentage of elderly got vaccinated is still insufficient. More work needs to be done. Again, don't try to twist the fact.
More importantly, many members here recommended mandatory vaccination for elderly so China could reopen early. But the Chinese government chose to not do so.
What a joke? Using mRNA or not using mRNA isn't an issue for me. Personally I got vaccinated with mRNA. Of course I don't get a choice as mRNA is the only type of vaccines that were available. However, it is the fact that my friend got miscarriage and blamed it on mRNA which I don't know if it is true or just mere an coincidence have me concern. And a few lady friends have their menstruation cycle gotten very irregular for almost a year but their doctors kept insisting isn't the vaccine which is now proven wrong. As mRNA does affect menstruation cycle. In addition, myocarditis cases for youngsters after taking mRNA vaccines have also been proven to be true. All of these point to the fact that mRNA is rushed to the frontline without enough of testing and data.
More importantly, it is jut that there is no point of approving mRNA vaccines as mRNA vaccines don't offer much of benefits and have more side effects. In fact, there are a few local mRNA vaccines that are available for many many months already but the Chinese government just didn't approve them.
However, it doesn't mean that the Chinese government is against mRNA vaccines. Actually, the Chinese government is very supportive of mRNA vaccines. It has granted many funds for developing mRNA and building manufacturing plants for mRNA.
From my perspective, mRNA as a new type of vaccine shouldn't be vaccinated on the whole population. But mRNA vaccines should still be developed for various diseases and applications. If the benefits outweigh the risk, mRNA should be used. For covid, there already are many very good vaccines that are used by China. mRNA just doesn't offer much of benefit to be approved. If the Chinese government decided to approve mRNA, it is fine with me. Doesn't mean I agree with the Chinese government.
Although, given the fact that the forth dose for elderly didn't offer mRNA, I have my doubt mRNA vaccines would be used as vaccination and booster campaign would soon end after rollout of forth dose. I don't think the Chinese government would offer yearly booster. Much more likely vaccination against covid would be made optional like flu shot.