Coronavirus 2019-2020 thread (no unsubstantiated rumours!)

[henrik]

Because they're not more effective, the vaccines already used are already one of the best if not the best in the world, hence why covid deaths has almost been completely eliminated. There is no better covid protection one can get with current research.

People taking boosters or not is mainly a question of compliance. The govt can't force most people to have several shots. When you have mostly covid free society, there will always be those who think "why should I get vaccine when I'm not at risk and there's no risk here anyways".

The problem with the situation is that the seemingly covid free society is due to the country wide shutdown, not that tradition vaccines are more effective. You now have a country with most people not having either mRNA vaccine protection or natural immunity. The test is going to be allowing local people and foreigners mix together,

 

[Quickie]

It is no wonder that China dare not open up, due to less effective traditional vaccines, and lower rates of boosters taken. But they keep on testing people every couple of days, spending billions of $$ while wasting hundreds of billions of real GDP production.

The local mRNA vaccines have been tested for a long time, but still no news about them being administered.

It's not so clear cut as you have suggested that mRNA vaccines are necessarily the better vaccine than the traditional inactivated vaccines.

Singapore which has been mainly using mRNA vaccines is now experiencing a spiking in cases. Meanwhile, its neighbors Malaysia and Indonesia have no such issues with the infection rate at a low. Indonesia I think is mainly vaccinated with inactivated vaccines. Malaysia with a mix of vaccines but mostly Inactivated or mRNA.

In the video, there is a chart showing what is the chances of you getting reinfected!

 

[nugroho]

It is no wonder that China dare not open up, due to less effective traditional vaccines, and lower rates of boosters taken. But they keep on testing people every couple of days, spending billions of $$ while wasting hundreds of billions of real GDP production.

The local mRNA vaccines have been tested for a long time, but still no news about them being administered.

Here we go again , which is better, traditional one or mRNA, the topic had made tons of page here, so if you don't have a new double blind massive data to support your thesis ( you said China then you must have adequate Chinese data ) don't make unnecessary debate. If you don't have that data then stay quiet

 

[KYli]

Too much fake news regarding covid and anti-science sure don't help

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[Sardaukar20]

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Scientists at Boston University claim to have created a new variant of Covid-19 with an 80% mortality rate, by combining the highly-transmissible Omicron variant of the coronavirus with the original Wuhan strain. The research, which echoes experiments thought to have created the virus in the first place, has caused outrage.

What the hell? After everything we have been through, there are US scientists that are gonna play with this stuff?

News of the research caused outrage online, as it is widely believed that similar ‘gain-of-function’ research – a term describing the alteration of a pathogen to enhance its potency – at the Wuhan Institute of Virology in China led to the global Covid-19 pandemic. The US

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at the Wuhan Institute, although it is still unclear whether the specific coronavirus that caused the pandemic originated in the lab.

Off course it should cause outrage. When "gain-of-function" research was done at WIV, the WHO was called to investigate that. The US and the 'free world' blamed China for the origins of Covid-19. There should be an even bigger outrage that the US is now tinkering with the Covid-19 virus. As if they had forgotten what had happened in the last 2 years.

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published last week, the scientists explained that they isolated the spike protein of the Omicron variant and combined it with the “backbone” of the original strain that circulated in early 2020. This created a virus that “robustly escapes vaccine-induced…immunity” and inflicts “serious disease” on laboratory mice, 80% of whom died during testing, the paper stated.

While the team admitted that their mutant strain would likely be less deadly in humans than mice, they found that it produced five times as many virus particles in lab-grown human lung cells when compared to the Omicron variant.

Is this not a de-facto bio-weapon prototype?

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Boston University COVID researchers have combined the omicron variant spike protein with the original virus, testing the created strain on mice “to help fight against future pandemics,” according to BU.

The scientists in BU’s National Emerging Infectious Diseases Laboratories found that all mice infected with only the BA.1 omicron variant had mild cases and survived, while the combined omicron spike protein with original COVID-19 virus strain inflicted severe disease with an 80% mortality rate.

When mice were infected with just the original, ancestral virus strain, 100% of the mice died.

Look at how the Boston Herald reports it from a very neutral perspective. They are not even trying to hide what they were doing.

“First, this research is not gain-of-function research, meaning it did not amplify the Washington state SARS-COV-2 virus strain (original virus from 2020) or make it more dangerous,” BU said in a statement following online reports that the university called “false and inaccurate.”

Why is it not a gain-of-function research? They've planted the extremely infectious Omicron-strain spike proteins onto the deadlier original Covid-19-strain. Hence, they've created a Covid-19 mutant that is just as deadly as the original strain, with the infectiousness of the Omicron-strain.

That my friends, looks like a bio-weapon prototype. For what good reason, that this research needs to be done? What is the benefit of creating what is arguably the most dangerous Covid-19 variant on Earth today? Do they plan to destroy that new monster virus and the methods to reproduce it? Knowing how the US works, I don't think they'll do that.

The research was reviewed and approved by the Institutional Biosafety Committee, which consists of scientists as well as local community members. The Boston Public Health Commission also approved the research.

So can we say that Boston, and by extension, the US government approves of this research?

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The US and the 'free-world' were so enthusiastic about accusing China as the cause of the Covid-19 pandemic. But as time goes by, the biggest revelations that we are getting are all from the US:

1) While the WIV was involved in "gain-of function" research. It was under contract with EcoHealth Alliance, a US entity, and funded by the NIH. The US is involved in it, one way or another.
2) Gain-of-function technology is US bio-technology. It was developed by Prof. Ralph Baric in his University of North Carolina lab.
3) The Lancet investigating committee has been continuously impeded by the US government. With access denied and heavily redacted documents.
4) No talks at all about the suspicious cases in the US prior to the first Covid-19 outbreak in Wuhan.
5) The revelations of US biolabs in Ukraine. There is one very suspicious research of engineering avian influenza virus to target genetically Slav people. It even comes with a plan to spread that virus onto migratory birds flying into Russia. How convenient. What kind of 'benevolent' research is that?
6) Then now this news of what is essentially more "gain-of-function" research done with the Covid-19 virus in Boston University.

All of the above could have become sufficient circumstantial evidence for conviction in a US-style court. The US has a confirmed habit of lying and cover-ups. The US has a track record of malicious biotech-research. The US is continuing to play around with the Covid-19 virus today.

 

[tygyg1111]

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What the hell? After everything we have been through, there are US scientists that are gonna play with this stuff?


Off course it should cause outrage. When "gain-of-function" research was done at WIV, the WHO was called to investigate that. The US and the 'free world' blamed China for the origins of Covid-19. There should be an even bigger outrage that the US is now tinkering with the Covid-19 virus. As if they had forgotten what had happened in the last 2 years.


Is this not a de-facto bio-weapon prototype?

Cross checking with American media:

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Look at how the Boston Herald reports it from a very neutral perspective. They are not even trying to hide what they were doing.


Why is it not a gain-of-function research? They've planted the extremely infectious Omicron-strain spike proteins onto the deadlier original Covid-19-strain. Hence, they've created a Covid-19 mutant that is just as deadly as the original strain, with the infectiousness of the Omicron-strain.

That my friends, looks like a bio-weapon prototype. For what good reason, that this research needs to be done? What is the benefit of creating what is arguably the most dangerous Covid-19 variant on Earth today? Do they plan to destroy that new monster virus and the methods to reproduce it? Knowing how the US works, I don't think they'll do that.


So can we say that Boston, and by extension, the US government approves of this research?

Link to the research paper:

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The US and the 'free-world' were so enthusiastic about accusing China as the cause of the Covid-19 pandemic. But as time goes by, the biggest revelations that we are getting are all from the US:

1) While the WIV was involved in "gain-of function" research. It was under contract with EcoHealth Alliance, a US entity, and funded by the NIH. The US is involved in it, one way or another.
2) Gain-of-function technology is US bio-technology. It was developed by Prof. Ralph Baric in his University of North Carolina lab.
3) The Lancet investigating committee has been continuously impeded by the US government. With access denied and heavily redacted documents.
4) No talks at all about the suspicious cases in the US prior to the first Covid-19 outbreak in Wuhan.
5) The revelations of US biolabs in Ukraine. There is one very suspicious research of engineering avian influenza virus to target genetically Slav people. It even comes with a plan to spread that virus onto migratory birds flying into Russia. How convenient. What kind of 'benevolent' research is that?
6) Then now this news of what is essentially more "gain-of-function" research done with the Covid-19 virus in Boston University.

All of the above could have become sufficient circumstantial evidence for conviction in a US-style court. The US has a confirmed habit of lying and cover-ups. The US has a track record of malicious biotech-research. The US is continuing to play around with the Covid-19 virus today.

Would be ironic if the new virus escaped in the US

 

[Phead128]

It is no wonder that China dare not open up, due to less effective traditional vaccines, and lower rates of boosters taken. But they keep on testing people every couple of days, spending billions of $$ while wasting hundreds of billions of real GDP production.

The local mRNA vaccines have been tested for a long time, but still no news about them being administered.

When it comes to the newer variants, mRNA is just as effective as traditional vaccines. mRNA doesn't have 95% efficacy anymore, it's dropped down to 60's or below, where traditional vaccines are also.

China's GDP was the only major economy with positive GDP growth in 2020, and it's rate exceeds that of US/Europe. Also, the inconvenience of testing is nothing compared to over 1 million dead in US and 2.3 million dead in Europe.

 

[ficker22]

Would be ironic if the new virus escaped in the US

Again ?

Wouldn't suprise anyone really if they "botch" something and things turn south from that day onward, not that it would matter, here in Germany basically only every 100th dude wears a mask, don't things it's better is places like Oklahoma.

 

[taxiya]

It is no wonder that China dare not open up, due to less effective traditional vaccines, and lower rates of boosters taken. But they keep on testing people every couple of days, spending billions of $$ while wasting hundreds of billions of real GDP production.

The local mRNA vaccines have been tested for a long time, but still no news about them being administered.

Talking about the magical super duper western vaccines and their higher boost ratio, I suggest you to get acquainted with those people who had taken 3 shots of Pfizer/BioNtech but contracted virus with symptoms within 3 months after the latest shot in the western countries. And I am talking about many in the past half year. I am the only person who has not get the virus within my department. The others have get at least once or even twice. Even with their 3rd boosters, some of them still had symptoms that knocked them down for a week. My way of living is still pretty much the Chinese way albeit in Europe, social distancing and face mask in closed space with people nearby.

It is no wonder that the west dare to open up, because they are not bothered to catch the virus regardless the effectiveness of any vaccines.

It is a choice of whether you see the virus as part of you or not.

 

[taxiya]

The problem with the situation is that the seemingly covid free society is due to the country wide shutdown,

Mostly truth.

not that tradition vaccines are more effective.

mRNA vaccines are no more effective either. There is a post in this thread few days ago about Morderna vaccine whose effectiveness diminish to none after about 4 months, actually negative probably due to people's false sense of invincibility. The booster shot is only given 6 months after the previous one here in Europe, to remind you. That means most people are running naked after 4 months, and probably half naked after 3 months.

You now have a country with most people not having either mRNA vaccine protection

Why do people want a false protection when it does not help much? It is like you want to wear a bullet proof vest without wearing a helmet into a battle. Being clever?

or natural immunity.

There is no such thing of natural immunity. 3 or maximum 4 months after catching the virus, you are naked again, what is natural immunity anyway?

The test is going to be allowing local people and foreigners mix together,

Why the hell would Chinese want to mix with SOME nasty contiguous foreigners anyway? The west primarily the US has been acting as if Chinese wanted to mix with them, from the COVID lockdown/opening-up to Biden saying it is China who wanted to meet him. The reality is that China is happy to stay away from these people.