Coronavirus 2019-2020 thread (no unsubstantiated rumours!)

Sardaukar20

Sardaukar20

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There will always be debates about whether China's Zero Covid is still a valid policy today. All I can say is that it's Chinese government's choice, and its not without merit. They know what they are doing, and its none of our business what we think about it from the outside.

Just because lockdowns are massive failures in many of other countries, doesn't mean that China was wrong all along. Remember, China never lectured to us that their methods were the best. It's the Western media that lectured to us that China's methods were wrong, while the US's methods were correct.

All those who stand by the US's method of Covid control should go and watch some old American films about virus apocalypse. Go and watch Contagion in 2011, or other virus apocalypse movies years back. How did the US CDC and US govt handled dangerous viruses in those films? Yes you've guessed it: extreme quarantine and lockdowns. How did medical drama doctors handled cases with dangerous viruses? Again, with hard quarantine.

Here's a better one. What was the WHO's guideline in 2020 for dealing with extremely dangerous airborne viruses? Exactly most of what China did.

What Trump America did in 2020 was truly shocking. Even I couldn't believe that the US was capable of dropping to that level. What happened to the world-famous US CDC? Everyone had expected America to do so much better than China. Yet here we are today: 1M+ deaths in America vs 5k+ in Mainland China.

If the roles were reversed, I'm absolutely certain that nobody is gonna praise China for choosing freedom over lockdowns. No, everyone is gonna slam the Chinese govt for allowing Chinese people to die by the millions. Why is it that when the US failed so spectacularly, that so many people must come out to argue that the US was still right in the end? Is this not double standards and racism?
 
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Biscuits

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Sardaukar20 said:
There will always be debates about whether China's Zero Covid is still a valid policy today. All I can say is that it's Chinese government's choice, and its not without merit. They know what they are doing, and its none of our business what we think about it from the outside.

Just because lockdowns are massive failures in many of other countries, doesn't mean that China was wrong all along. Remember, China never lectured to us that their methods were the best. It's the Western media that lectured to us that China's methods were wrong, while the US's methods were correct.

All those who stand by the US's method of Covid control should go and watch some old American films about virus apocalypse. Go and watch Contagion in 2011, or other virus apocalypse movies years back. How did the US CDC and US govt handled dangerous viruses in those films? Yes you've guessed it: extreme quarantine and lockdowns. How did medical drama doctors handled cases with dangerous viruses? Again, with hard quarantine.

Here's a better one. What was the WHO's guideline in 2020 for dealing with extremely dangerous airborne viruses? Exactly most of what China did.

What Trump America did in 2020 was truly shocking. Even I couldn't believe that the US was capable of dropping to that level. What happened to the world-famous US CDC? Everyone had expected America to do so much better than China. Yet here we are today: 1M+ deaths in America vs 5k+ in Mainland China.

If the roles were reversed, I'm absolutely certain that nobody is gonna praise China for choosing freedom over lockdowns. No, everyone is gonna slam the Chinese govt for allowing Chinese people to die by the millions. Why is it that when the US failed so spectacularly, that so many people must come out to argue that the US was still right in the end? Is this not double standards and racism?
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Lets say there are 2 clinics, A and B. A has 200x the mortality rate of B despite treating the same type of disease.

Clinic A, if it wants to claim to be a serious healthcare provider, must learn from Clinic B.

Of course, Clinic A's horrible mortality may not be because all the workers at A are stupid or malicious. More likely, it is simply because A might have less resources, less equipment, less coverage and older, less effective medicines. So the workers of A should not be blamed.

But if A wants to claim that its method is equally valid to B's even better, then A deserves to get reported for malpractice and shut down.
 
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tygyg1111

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Sardaukar20 said:
If the roles were reversed, I'm absolutely certain that nobody is gonna praise China for choosing freedom over lockdowns. No, everyone is gonna slam the Chinese govt for allowing Chinese people to die by the millions. Why is it that when the US failed so spectacularly, that so many people must come out to argue that the US was still right in the end? Is this not double standards and racism?
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Because these 'people' most likely were Americans or followed the American way of dealing with Covid
 
Bellum_Romanum

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badoc said:
Sorry about that, you may have to google the mRNA 95% efficacy.
It was my laborous and tedious 1st try posting from my phone while very sick on my bed.
I was going to do it on my PC, but it was too painful for me to get up.
This Shingles(chickenpox reactivated) thingy is many times worst than Covid.
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Get better soon bud. Take care of yourself.
 
Bellum_Romanum

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henrik said:
The problem with the situation is that the seemingly covid free society is due to the country wide shutdown, not that tradition vaccines are more effective. You now have a country with most people not having either mRNA vaccine protection or natural immunity. The test is going to be allowing local people and foreigners mix together,
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henrik said:
The test is going to be allowing local people and foreigners mix together,
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HUWHAAT? please explain this.
 
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badoc

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Bellum_Romanum said:
Get better soon bud. Take care of yourself.
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Shingles made me see the Wisdom of the Zero Covid policy.
The chickenpox virus lays dormant in our body after an infection and will reactivate and attack us again as Shingles when our immune system is weak as we grow old.
Shingles is torturous, 3 weeks and counting.
It affects 1 out of 3 persons aged 50 and above.

Makes me wonder what are the risk of the Covid virus laying dormant and coming back to kill us 2nd time around as we grow older and weaker.
Long Covid patients are especially at risk.

Zero Covid is the best solution for a country that can afford it, until a more effective solution is found.
China 加油 .
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coolgod

coolgod

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badoc said:
Shingles made me see the Wisdom of the Zero Covid policy.
The chickenpox virus lays dormant in our body after an infection and will reactivate and attack us again as Shingles when our immune system is weak as we grow old.
Shingles is torturous, 3 weeks and counting.
It affects 1 out of 3 persons aged 50 and above.

Makes me wonder what are the risk of the Covid virus laying dormant and coming back to kill us 2nd time around as we grow older and weaker.
Long Covid patients are especially at risk.

Zero Covid is the best solution for a country that can afford it, until a more effective solution is found.
China 加油 .
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I have a family member who got shingles a few years ago, haven't been able to sleep a single day without sleeping pills since. Recommend everyone get the shingles vaccine when they are older!
 
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