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localizer

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You read those 17 Italians were in India from mid Feb roaming about left and right to many many tourist places and villages for over 14 days or more.? And India is not a country you want to be sick in or top of that.

We will get to know the butcher's bill from those 17.


They were probably thinking about how dirty the locals are when they're doing biological warfare there XD.
 

shanlung

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Daily coronavirus cases outside of China are now 18 TIMES higher than inside the worst-hit nation where the outbreak began as Beijing offers help by sending 250,000 face masks to Iran

  • Beijing confirmed just 120 cases yesterday – the lowest toll since mid-January
  • World Health Organization figures show 2,103 cases were recorded elsewhere
  • Most of the new patients were struck down in Iran, South Korea and Italy
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PUBLISHED: 09:26 GMT, 5 March 2020 | UPDATED: 13:17 GMT, 5 March 2020



The number of coronavirus cases being diagnosed outside of China each day is now 18 times higher than inside the hardest-hit nation.
Beijing confirmed just 120 new cases yesterday in the lowest daily toll since the crisis began to take hold in the middle of January.
World Health Organization figures show 2,103 patients were struck down outside of China, with most recorded in Iran, South Korea and Italy.
The escalating crisis, which has seen 96,000 people infected across the world, has changed course dramatically in the past two weeks.

Data shows the number of daily cases on February 19 – two weeks ago – was 17 times higher in China than the rest of the world combined.
As China's outbreak has dramatically slowed in the last week, Beijing has now started to help other nations battling outbreaks of their own.
Chinese health officials have already sent 250,000 face masks and 5,000 testing kits to Iran, which has recorded more than 3,500 cases and 107 deaths.


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Beijing confirmed just 120 new cases yesterday in the lowest daily toll since the crisis began to take hold in the middle of January. World Health Organization figures show 2,103 patients were struck down outside of China, with most recorded in Iran, South Korea and Italy
 

Chish

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Finally somebody on this thread actually speaks the truth, thank you Vesicles, and as you have pointed out, the consequences of the vaccine injuring or taking the life of the Dr. or members of her team would be momentous, that whole body of knowledge could vanish or at least be compromised..

While it is a nice emotional gesture, she placed herself, her team, and the nations well being at risk....

and US states declaring an emergency is not panic, but a funding vehicle to insure that money and medical protocols are in place...

I would encourage posters to leave out the politics, nation shaming, and ridiculing others faith, all are against the rules...

anyway, as Vesicles has pointed out, any researcher who did such a thing in his lab would be fired and likely censured by the medical community at large.... and while there is no doubt in my mind that the Dr. had ONLY The BEST intentions, it might encourage others to take unnecessary risks.
Why are you implying the rest of us not speaking the truth? Just someone, Vesicles, finally speaking the truth on this thread? Beside the suppose event you are refering to is belived to be fake news propagated from the West. If others are tellings lies, say something and prove them wrong . Thanks you very much.
 
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Coronavirus: China’s huge migrant worker population bearing the brunt of economic shutdown
  • Migrant workers could lose a combined US$115 billion in wages as factories struggle to resume output and many services businesses remain closed
  • Nearly impossible for them to make up lost wages by working longer hours, analysts say, since earnings largely supplemented by commission

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Peter TR

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The problem is the West portrays Chinese as evil people who cannot do good. Anything good we do must have been ordered by the party. Anything bad we do is in our nature. Are we that much of a threat that they hate us so much?

Well frankly I don`t know how to stop this. The mouth is on their head ;)

What I think "West" as a concept have approx 1 billion people;

Average age get higher, less consumer motivation; Economically slow down is inevitable;

Total population of this planet is 7 billion;

For africa asia latin america, they are younger but with less wealth, they want modern life like you and me and west and east, we should focus on industrialize them instead of sitting biside your TV focus on a FOX 1 channel and anxiety about what they laughing at;

You should focus on the other 6 billion which is majority.
 

AndrewS

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I’ve said this a few weeks ago. Vaccines are different than drugs. Vaccines will be injected to normal, perfectly healthy human beings to Prevent diseases. Any serious side effects would be unacceptable. Injecting a vaccine that will kill 1 in 10,000 (death rate of 0.01%) to save a virus with a death rate of 0.2%? That’s entirely unacceptable. You cannot rush a vaccine. Simply canNOT!

Drugs are different. Since drugs are designed to be given to sick people, it becomes a little more acceptable for the drugs to be more toxic. Saving a dying patient is a lot more urgent than a possibility of causing a little liver issue for the patient in 10-20 years. Therefore, the drugs typically get more leeway in terms of toxicity, especially those for terminal illnesses.

This is why vaccines simply cannot be rushed at all. with the current COVID-19, we would expect a good vaccine to come out next year at the earliest after extensive human trials.

just imagine the nightmare. A vaccine is rushed out in a few months with a death rate of 1 in 10,000. Everyone in the world has been so scared of the COVID-19 and wants the vaccine. Assuming half of the population on earth gets the vaccine, that’s 3 billion people. Then 300,000 people will die directly from the vaccine. That’s way more than the amount of people that will be killed by the virus. Then the vaccine is a lot worse than the virus. Also imagine how many kids will be killed by the vaccine. Now we know that kidshave been pretty immune to the virus. But they will be killed by the vaccine...

I completely agree with your analysis, but that isn't the point I'm making.

I'll give an example.

1. Skip the initial animal testing
2. Skip Phase 0 and Phase 1 human trials, the vaccine is a derivative of an existing vaccine which has passed previously.
3. Go straight into Phase 2 human trials with say 100 volunteers. Do this one properly, but there shouldn't be any issues.
4. Then go to Phase 3 human trials with 10000 volunteers. Again this one is done properly, and ensure it is really safe.

With this approach, you skip a lot of the initial testing.
Say it saves 3months of development time, which is worth 1million deaths around the world in the future.

So you accept a higher risk for the 100 volunteers in the Phase 2. But the additional risk is way less than 10 of those volunteers

So the life of each (well-compensated) volunteer is *worth* the life of 100000 people.

This can be a difficult truth for those who are too ideologically attached to the idea of individual rights versus collective good.
 
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Air Force Brat

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Why are you implying the rest of us not speaking the truth? Just someone, Vesicles, finally speaking the truth on this thread? Beside the suppose event you are refering to is belived to be fake news propagated from the West. If others are tellings lies, say something and prove them wrong . Thanks you very much.

I am very specifically commending vesicles for setting the story straight, you are right, I highly doubt a ranking Chinese military member would break protocol.....

As he stated such behavior would not be tolerated in a medical research facility.
 

AndrewS

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I am very specifically commending vesicles for setting the story straight, you are right, I highly doubt a ranking Chinese military member would break protocol.....

As he stated such behavior would not be tolerated in a medical research facility.

Another possible point of view is that this action was APPROVED by higher up?

If the vaccine was a closely related derivative of an existing one, they may know that there is zero risk.
In that case, the propaganda value may have been judged worth it.

Eg. An uptick in consumer sentiment may increase economic activity by 1% per day.
Chinese GDP is currently around $15 Trillion, which works out as $41 Billion per day.
A 1% increase is therefore worth $410 Million per day.
You can translate that directly into lives, because there are still so many poor people in China.

But overall, I can't really judge how accurate this report is, and I'll go with the consensus that it is fake news.

And apparently there are now 6 prospective vaccines being tested in China?
 
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