Coronavirus 2019-2020 thread (no unsubstantiated rumours!)

[AndrewS]

Finally somebody on this thread actually speaks the truth, thank you Vesicles, and as you have pointed out, the consequences of the vaccine injuring or taking the life of the Dr. or members of her team would be momentous, that whole body of knowledge could vanish or at least be compromised..

While it is a nice emotional gesture, she placed herself, her team, and the nations well being at risk....

and US states declaring an emergency is not panic, but a funding vehicle to insure that money and medical protocols are in place...

I would encourage posters to leave out the politics, nation shaming, and ridiculing others faith, all are against the rules...

anyway, as Vesicles has pointed out, any researcher who did such a thing in his lab would be fired and likely censured by the medical community at large.... and while there is no doubt in my mind that the Dr. had ONLY The BEST intentions, it might encourage others to take unnecessary risks.

We've just discussed that it is FAKE NEWS from vice.com, which is based in New York.

So where is the truth now?

 

[AndrewS]

And for another hard truth below.

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@vesicles

I agree the vaccine researcher shouldn't have tested it herself.

But thinking about the situation.
The estimate is now a minimum of 25% of the global population will contract the coronavirus, which works out to 2000 Million people
If the mortality rate is even 0.2%, that works out as 4 million people.

So it makes sense rush the trials process.

Possibly skipping the animal testing, and going straight to small scale human trials involving hundreds of (well-compensated) volunteers, who know they will be deliberately infected.

You would start getting usable results immediately.

As a result, let's say overall vaccine development time was 3months faster.
That could potentially save millions of people around the world.
And definitely thousands of medical personnel, even if the vaccine is not ready for the general population.

Comments?

 

[localizer]

Given the logic above, wouldn't some drugs work in humans but not in animals?
So how useful is a lot of animal testing?

Not many people here has actually worked on vaccines I'm assuming .

A world renowned scientist such as her is able to judge if the vaccine she made is safe or not.

"Adenovirus vector vaccine for COVID-19 and a class 1 biological drug"

Neither will cause COVID.

I wouldn't mind testing on myself if I knew how it was made.

 

[AndrewS]

Not many people here has actually worked on vaccines I'm assuming .

A world renowned scientist such as her is able to judge if the vaccine she made is safe or not.

"Adenovirus vector vaccine for COVID-19 and a class 1 biological drug"

Neither will cause COVID.

I wouldn't mind testing on myself if I knew how it was made.

It's not about whether it will cause COVID, but whether there are severe side effects.

And we've discussed already that it is FAKE news from vice.com, which is based in New York.

 

[localizer]

It's not about whether it will cause COVID, but whether there are severe side effects.

And we've discussed already that it is FAKE news from vice.com, which is based in New York.

The news is real.

Trust me they wouldn't do this if they didn't know what they were doing.

It has more to do with fame and money than nationalism.


This is like someone test driving a new car or going into space in a new rocket or testing some bullet proof jacket. But probably safer.

 

[siegecrossbow]

Could be worse, apple cofounder thought he was patient zero that started it all in the USA

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Steve Wozniak does whatever possible to keep himself in the limelight.

 

[localizer]

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Italian tourists in India quarantined with coronavirus

• News Desk
  Agence France-Presse

New Delhi, India / Wed, March 4, 2020 / 04:30 pm

Tourists wearing protective masks are pictured at the historic Taj Mahal in Agra, India, on Tuesday. A group of Italian tourists have been put in quarantine in India, with 17 testing positive for the new coronavirus. (REUTERS/Stringer)

Italian

 

[vesicles]

Given the logic above, wouldn't some drugs work in humans but not in animals?
So how useful is a lot of animal testing?

Keep in mind that 2/3 of the drugs that work in animals should still work in human. So testing animals is still very important.

Also, each year, hundreds of thousands of test compounds are tested and a big proportion of them will show encouraging results in cell culture experiments. As I mentioned earlier, 99% of the test drugs that work in cultured cells don’t work in animals. The remaining 1% will work in animals. 2/3 of that 1% will work in human. So animal testing is still an essential step in screening out the ineffective drugs. Without the animals, all the hundreds of thousands of test compounds will have to be tested in human. That would be a nightmare. Just imagine how many patients will be killed by toxic test drugs...

 

[vesicles]

And for another hard truth below.

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@vesicles

I agree the vaccine researcher shouldn't have tested it herself.

But thinking about the situation.
The estimate is now a minimum of 25% of the global population will contract the coronavirus, which works out to 2000 Million people
If the mortality rate is even 0.2%, that works out as 4 million people.

So it makes sense rush the trials process.

Possibly skipping the animal testing, and going straight to small scale human trials involving hundreds of (well-compensated) volunteers, who know they will be deliberately infected.

You would start getting usable results immediately.

As a result, let's say overall vaccine development time was 3months faster.
That could potentially save millions of people around the world.
And definitely thousands of medical personnel, even if the vaccine is not ready for the general population.

Comments?

I’ve said this a few weeks ago. Vaccines are different than drugs. Vaccines will be injected to normal, perfectly healthy human beings to Prevent diseases. Any serious side effects would be unacceptable. Injecting a vaccine that will kill 1 in 10,000 (death rate of 0.01%) to save a virus with a death rate of 0.2%? That’s entirely unacceptable. You cannot rush a vaccine. Simply canNOT!

Drugs are different. Since drugs are designed to be given to sick people, it becomes a little more acceptable for the drugs to be more toxic. Saving a dying patient is a lot more urgent than a possibility of causing a little liver issue for the patient in 10-20 years. Therefore, the drugs typically get more leeway in terms of toxicity, especially those for terminal illnesses.

This is why vaccines simply cannot be rushed at all. with the current COVID-19, we would expect a good vaccine to come out next year at the earliest after extensive human trials.

just imagine the nightmare. A vaccine is rushed out in a few months with a death rate of 1 in 10,000. Everyone in the world has been so scared of the COVID-19 and wants the vaccine. Assuming half of the population on earth gets the vaccine, that’s 3 billion people. Then 300,000 people will die directly from the vaccine. That’s way more than the amount of people that will be killed by the virus. Then the vaccine is a lot worse than the virus. Also imagine how many kids will be killed by the vaccine. Now we know that kidshave been pretty immune to the virus. But they will be killed by the vaccine...

 

[shanlung]

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Italian

You read those 17 Italians were in India from mid Feb roaming about left and right to many many tourist places and villages for over 14 days or more.? And India is not a country you want to be sick in or top of that.

We will get to know the butcher's bill from those 17.