Coronavirus 2019-2020 thread (no unsubstantiated rumours!)

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I meant fubar for the US, if America gets hit with the peak of the virus outbreak at the same time it runs out of supplies, will get ugly.

In other news, seems like China is walking tightrope between controlling the virus and restarting industries

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At this rate, companies should be fleeing into China to get away from the rising pandemic phase of the COVID-19 as the Chinese epidemic phase dies out.

Obviously these MSM never keep taps of the numbers.

Outside of Hubei province, any of the individual provinces in China currently has a lesser number of existing cases than any of the eight heavily infected countries from Korea to Spain.

The total number of existing cases of these provinces (excluding Hubei) now numbers at around 1500 cases which is much less than that of Korea (6088), Iran(3513), Italy(3089).
 

supersnoop

Major
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Has anyone seen the original broadcast? I suspect that the truth is that it was not actually an injection of this test vaccine, probably something less novel.

In this battle, 3 specialist doctors have already died. I don't think anyone wants to see any more of these sacrifices. Doctors are hard to replace, and so are scientists.

The PLA learned this from the KJ-200 crash (I would hope)
 

AssassinsMace

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Right now they're worried that in the end China will look like it better handled the coronavirus than the US despite more cases. It's all political on the US's end especially from the media who claims China is manipulating information on the coronavirus which endangers peoples' lives. Ironic. I can see it in the political talking heads that criticize Trump's mishandling, they too are absolutists where they would rather let the virus spread out of democratic principle and not accept anything China did was right. They're doing what they accused China of doing.
 

Rettam Stacf

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Yep!


'They are a very hungry people': Fox News host fuels racist tropes about Chinese over coronavirus outbreak

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Fox News host Jesse Watters. Fox News
  • The Fox News personality Jesse Watters on Monday invoked racist tropes about China and demanded that the country formally apologize over the novel coronavirus.
The China hater will never stop their hatred towards China! I know some members here will try and dismiss this as some sort of: Well this is not the main stream view. Even Trump distance himself from them. Etc. BUT, let's not forget, by far the majority of Trump's enthusiastic supporters comes from Fox news viewers.

The rest of the article if anyone is intetested.

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I believe China should apologize, right after the US formally apologize to the world for attacking Iraq under false pretense, thus unleashing Al-Queda and later ISIS which became terrorist movements around the world, including the Uyghur terrorism in China, and for driving up oil prices, causing significant harm to the world's economy.
 

Chish

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Well, what this Chinese doctor has done is not only dangerous, but also useless.

First of all, no scientist can be sure of what they are doing while they are working on a project. Even when later on they are proven correct, no one can be sure while in the middle of a project. This is especially true in biology/medicine since we still know so little of biology. I personally know 3 Nobel Laureates and many world-leading experts in various medical/biological fields. I don't think any of them can tell you that they have been absolutely sure what they are doing while working on a project. As a matter of fact, many of them will tell you that their findings came as an accident, or as a complete surprise, or something that they initially absolutely disagreed or even refused to study because how ridiculous it sounded.

Further, it has been so common in medical research that experimental findings in one system cannot be translated to another system. Close to 99% of test drugs that work in cultured cells do not work in animals. Almost 1/3 of test drugs that work in mice/monkeys do not work in human. Many of them may even be helpful in mice but toxic in human. No scientist can be sure whether their drugs would work in human, even they get perfect results in animal testings. Actually, based on the statistics of past drug discovery efforts, your drug would most likely fail to perform in human. So what this Chinese doctor has done is very dangerous.

A good vaccine requires that its toxicity is at least 1 in 100,000. Even if she is completely cured by the vaccine, a single data point means absolutely nothing to show the effectiveness and toxicity of the vaccine. Even if she is killed by the vaccine, that still does not mean the vaccine is bad. A single data point is meaningless. So what she has done is completely useless.

Her action also sets a bad precedence. "So if you want to show your confidence of your drug/vaccine, you have to eat it yourself!" This is not recommended. As a matter of fact, most countries' health care systems, including China's, strictly prohibit self-testing of their own test drugs by the researchers.

Just imagine a nightmare scenario. She took the vaccine and reacted badly to the vaccine. Since she is the lead researcher, she is the only one who understands this vaccine. Now with her badly hurt by the vaccine, no one else knows what to do... Not a good idea...
Dangerous definitely yes, but not necessary useless because all information we got so far are from mass media, third party speculation. Waiting to hear her side of the event. She is a smart person, wouldn't do anything useless.
 

vincent

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What do you guys think about this title:

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Why does the west hate us so badly?

Fake news:

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微博认证为“香港文汇报北京新闻中心执行总编辑”的“凯雷”3月4日凌晨也发微博称:“流传的这张照片是陈薇出征武汉前,和我03(年)打的是一样的针,旨在增强免疫力出征战场”“这些流传的图片上的文字是不对的”。

The injection is for a boost to immunity
 
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google translation:
Academician first test the first shot of vaccine "? Still have to wait until April!



On the evening of March 3, a picture with the text "Vaccine first shot, academician first try" appeared on social networks. The picture is believed to be that the vaccine developed by Academician Chen Wei's team has entered the clinical stage. The article also stated: "The first new crown virus vaccine was injected into Academician Chen Wei's left arm today. Seven members of the expert group also injected it together."

A compliment appeared online.

But shortly thereafter, the authenticity of this picture was falsified: "How could a human experiment with a vaccine be so fast?"

"Strict scientist, won't do it!"

"The picture starts with the content! It's very obvious that this picture was taken by Chen Wei before her departure in Wuhan ..."

"Carlyle", certified as the "Executive Editor-in-Chief of the Hong Kong Wen Wei Po Beijing News Centre" on Weibo, also posted a Weibo on the early morning of March 4th: "This photo circulated was before Chen Wei's departure to Wuhan. Is the same needle, designed to enhance immunity to the battlefield "" The text on these circulating pictures is incorrect. "

The appearance of the above picture may represent people's enthusiasm for the success of the vaccine.

The premise of "personal testing" is "entering the clinic"

"First of all, the expression of 'the first new crown virus vaccine' is not precise, and the words such as successful vaccine development cannot be used casually."

"A vaccine research and development cycle is very long," a researcher who is working on a vaccine for the new crown virus told China Science News.

The researcher who requested anonymity said that after the vaccine developed has entered the clinic, it still needs to undergo a process from small-scale population trials to large-scale trials. After the three-phase clinical trial, the relevant national drug review department can approve the marketing of the vaccine. "Vaccine" can really be called "vaccine".

So, what is the "personal test" in the vaccine development process?

"Only after the preliminary work of vaccine development, including industrial preparation production technology, animal-level effectiveness and safety evaluation, approval by the State Drug Administration, has been completed, and the candidate vaccine has been approved for clinical trials, can it begin Small-scale human clinical trials, at which time the head of R & D will be the "first vaccination."

The researchers said medical ethics would not be passable if these jobs were "tested" before they were done.

The anonymous researcher told China Science News: "Some vaccines are effective in animals, but not so effective in humans. Can this vaccine enter the clinic? So it is necessary to prove the effectiveness of the vaccine. "

"Injecting yourself does not mean you can inject it to the public." Another industry source mentioned: "It must be done according to regulations."

Fastest vaccine or "clinical trials begin in April"

In fact, on the evening of March 3, CCTV News Network just reported the relevant progress: "The scientific research team led by Chen Wei, an academician of the Chinese Academy of Engineering and a researcher at the Academy of Military Sciences, has made important progress in the development of the new crown vaccine.

Does this "important phase achievement" refer to the development of vaccines into human clinical trials? It was not mentioned in the news broadcast.

However, from the news that Academician Chen Wei “striving to bring the new recombinant crown vaccine under development to the clinic and its application in the shortest possible time”, the vaccine developed by her team has not yet entered human clinical trials.

On February 28th, five days ago, Premier Li Keqiang also listened to the accompanying academician's introduction to the research and development of vaccines when he inspected the National New Crown Pneumonia Drug Medical Device Emergency Platform.

In the academician's introduction, there was a clear point in time: "Every vaccine research and development team is racing against time and clock, and strive for the fastest vaccine to begin clinical trials in April".

On the other side, the reporter was informed that according to Qin Chuan, the director of the Institute of Medical Experimental Animals, Chinese Academy of Medical Sciences, on March 4, the Institute of Medical Experimental Animals is currently conducting animal experimental evaluation of six vaccines.

These 6 vaccines should be the fastest in China's new crown vaccine research and development. It is understood that at present only the institute (in cooperation with the Chinese Center for Disease Control and Prevention of Viral Disease Control and Prevention) has transgenic mice identified by the Ministry of Science and Technology. Two animal models of river monkey pneumonia infection model.

Should the vaccine be tried on academicians first?

The reason why many people are willing to believe that this picture is Academician Chen Wei's "first try first shot" is because Chen Wei is a female scientist who has made important contributions in the hard battles such as SARS and Ebola. During the Bola outbreak, she led a team to complete an Ebola vaccine clinical trial in an African epidemic area, the first Chinese vaccine to conduct clinical research abroad.

Chen Wei has long been engaged in the research of new biological defense vaccines and new biological drugs.

On the track of the development of the new crown vaccine, Chen Wei's team developed an adenovirus vector vaccine.

Today, its new crown vaccine development team is also regarded as a "seed player" for vaccine development.

In particular, as early as January 28, US President Trump announced at that time that American scientists would develop a new crown vaccine within 12 weeks, and Chen Wei chose a positive "gang": "I believe that the speed of our scientific researchers is no less than United States."

Although Academician Chen Wei ’s “Personally Tested Medicine” network diagram was rumored, some netizens expressed concerns about the R & D staff: “Why test the medicine (vaccine) in person? Such an important person needs to be protected. I can try it! "

Is it necessary for the person in charge of vaccine development to "test in person"?

On February 28, when inspecting the National New Coronary Pneumonia Drug and Medical Device Emergency Platform, Premier Li Keqiang asked whether the candidate vaccines that "start clinical trials in April at the earliest" are they safe? "

At that time, an accompanying academician in charge of vaccine research and development "revealed the scene" at the scene: "wait for the first vaccination when the vaccine is developed."

"This courage is a valuable character that our scientists dare to assume." Li Keqiang said at the time.
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