Coronavirus 2019-2020 thread (no unsubstantiated rumours!)

[Gatekeeper]

Yeah, and dont forget they like Senator Marco Rubio already blaming CCP totalitarian government censorship /coverup as root cause of the COVID spreading into the world, and how China supply chain disruption is directly responsible for America lack of masks situation because communism bad lol
I wont even get started on the sort of blame Senator Tom Cotton is trying to pin on China.... people can Huawei Search it themselves

Yep!


'They are a very hungry people': Fox News host fuels racist tropes about Chinese over coronavirus outbreak

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• Mar 2, 2020, 8:27 PM

Fox News host Jesse Watters. Fox News

• The Fox News personality Jesse Watters on Monday invoked racist tropes about China and demanded that the country formally apologize over the novel coronavirus.

The China hater will never stop their hatred towards China! I know some members here will try and dismiss this as some sort of: Well this is not the main stream view. Even Trump distance himself from them. Etc. BUT, let's not forget, by far the majority of Trump's enthusiastic supporters comes from Fox news viewers.

The rest of the article if anyone is intetested.

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[getready]

What do you guys think about this title:

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Why does the west hate us so badly?

Is vice a reliable media outlet? That’s sounds like complete BS

 

[Gatekeeper]

People who watch Fox News are either racist rednecks or trump supporters or both. They are playing to their audience

Yes, I think I did say that with my post.
"That some members here will dismissed this as not the main stream view".

But lets look at it deeper. These rednecks maybe on the extreme end of the spectrum. But they, by far, have the largest influence on Trump's republican party policy!

 

[supersnoop]

Yes, its likely the US had it first, the less lethal S-COV strain and may have bought it to Wuhan via infected soldiers as part of World Military Games in Wuhan, China. The timeline would be consistent and it comports with the discover that in Wuhan it mutated to the more deadly L-COV strain, which consists of 70% out of all the strains in Wuhan.

Although I think you are adiru with a new handle and slightly toned down conspiracies, I was thinking along the same lines (that the virus didn't originate in China).

Just logically thinking, the rapid spread of the disease in so many different countries makes it appear like this was likely spreading in the wild for quite some time. Of course I am not an expert in this field. Perhaps some members that are experts can comment on this.

The problem is the West portrays Chinese as evil people who cannot do good. Anything good we do must have been ordered by the party. Anything bad we do is in our nature. Are we that much of a threat that they hate us so much?

Basically PRC is replacing USSR. I don't necessarily think it is racism/xenophobia behind it (these are either by-products or preexisting prejudices being exploited). Chinese (both country and people) are the new boogeyman for the ruling classes in western nations to focus their ire, replacing the Soviet Union. Otherwise, how can you explain to average people that the economy keeps growing, but very few people are enjoying increased wealth? Somehow the Chinese are stealing it!

I think this is a bit too off topic, so I will close with this. Even the idea of hegemonic Chinese seems to be a thoroughly modern invention. Honestly, I have never heard of "Han ethnicity" people except in the last 10 years or so. I mean who calls themselves "Han" vs. "Fujianese (or whatever)"?

 

[Hendrik_2000]

Return the favor for thrashing China effort to overcome Corona virus. Look like they pray maybe lost all hope to fight this virus rationally and wait for divine intervention?

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that the spread of the pathogen – which began in the central Chinese city of Wuhan, according to Chinese health officials – had been spiraling out of control in the US “like a single spark starting a prairie fire.” California, Florida and the state of Washington have declared the epidemic a public health emergency. There have been 159 confirmed cases and 11 deaths nationwide, compared with China’s tally of 80,567 and a toll of 3,016 as of Thursday.

Xinhua also ridiculed a prayer gathering in Vice-President Mike Pence’s office in the White House at the end of last month. US President Donald Trump has tasked Pence with spearheading the US federal government’s response to the global outbreak. In a photo released by the White House, Pence sits with members of the government’s Coronavirus Taskforce as they bow their heads and pray for the disease to disappear.

Vice-President Mike Pence meets with the President’s Coronavirus Taskforce on February 26 in his White House office. Photo: Handout

Xinhua quoted US commentator Hemant Mehta as saying, “What else did anyone expect? Science? Reason? Something sensible? Of course not… If this virus truly becomes a pandemic, we’re at the mercy of people delusional enough to think their pleas to God will fix the problem. The same God who presumably created the virus, at least in their minds, will somehow make sure it hurts only a handful of Americans … and a ton of Chinese people.”

The Chinese news agency also asserted that Beijing would not bar American citizens from China, even though the US was among the first countries to impose entry restrictions on Chinese travelers. It also said China would not take advantage of the “precarious situation” in the US by limiting the export of masks, protective suits and antiviral drugs, vital medical supplies that American firms do not manufacture.

The conclusion of the article is that the US owes China an apology for its “immoral” words and deeds during the onset of the plague in China, when its politicians and China bashers thought their country would not be hit by the crisis.

 

[Hendrik_2000]

Here is the translated article

Righteous, the world should thank China
2020-03-04 10:45:32 Source: Huang Sheng looks at the financial WeChat account
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Today, another state in the United States has declared a state of emergency, and the state of Florida in the United States has declared a state of public health emergency. The Governor's Office of Florida has announced that the state has found two people who have confirmed confirmed cases of new coronary pneumonia and need to wait for further confirmation from the US Centers for Disease Control. The two are being treated in isolation.

This is the third state in the United States to declare a state of emergency after California and Washington states. It can be seen that the new crown pneumonia epidemic has shown signs of sparking fire in the United States, and after the first case of new crown pneumonia deaths was announced in the United States yesterday, today There has been one death from neocoronary pneumonia, and a total of two deaths have occurred.

However, it is ridiculous that the United States now needs to confirm a new case of new pneumonia in the United States and it needs final review by the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. This is why Florida is very dissatisfied with this. It was declared a state of emergency.
Obviously, the true outbreak of new coronary pneumonia in the United States has been seriously underestimated. The reason is that all confirmed cases must be finally identified by the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, which has made the United States' data always suspicion worldwide.

As the U.S. crown pneumonia epidemic is getting more and more serious, Trump has also kept coming out to let the Americans not panic, but the actual situation is that Trump is also very anxious. Was so nervous, praying for the new crown pneumonia epidemic to pass as soon as possible in the White House office.

At this time, Trump made a big change and began to praise China. At a press conference the day before yesterday, an American reporter asked Trump: "If the new crown pneumonia outbreak in the United States worsens, will the US government consider taking similar measures to China?"

Trump immediately said that he would take some Chinese measures to control the new crown pneumonia, and said that China has made great progress now. We can see that Starbucks has reopened in China, and Apple has fully resumed production in China. China ’s New crown pneumonia prevention and control has indeed made great progress.

Obviously, Trump's remarks came from the bottom of his heart, and it is also because the role has now changed. China has made significant progress in controlling the new crown pneumonia, but the United States is in a torrential storm. More and more states An emergency was declared, medical supplies in the United States were extremely scarce, and an out-of-control epidemic of new pneumonia was almost inevitable.

The U.S. stock market has plummeted continuously, with a drop of more than 12% in just one week. It has caught up with the big crash during the U.S. subprime mortgage crisis. This makes Trump feel like a pinch. Once the U.S. stock market continues to plummet, it will not only affect the U.S. economy but also affect the chance of president is re-elected, and once the new crown pneumonia epidemic continues, Trump ’s seat will face increasing challenges.

If at this time China announced that it would restrict the entry of Americans or people who have been to the United States, and that it would ban the travel of Chinese to the United States, it would actually be a travel ban on the United States. It plummeted, but China did not.
And everyone should know that when the new crown pneumonia epidemic broke out in Wuhan, Hubei, China, Trump ’s US government first announced the return of Americans from Wuhan, China, causing other countries to follow up, making China very passive at the time.

Not only that, the U.S. government also announced that restricting the entry of Chinese and foreigners who have visited China into the U.S. is actually an indirect declaration of a travel ban on China, which isolates other countries in the world from China, and has a great economic impact on China. of.
These practices in the United States are very unkind. They can be described as falling into the ground and killing people while they are ill. Now China's new crown pneumonia epidemic has been controlled. Except for Wuhan, new confirmed cases have been added in single digits. But it's getting worse.

If China retaliates against the United States at this time, in addition to announcing a travel ban on the United States, it will also announce strategic control over medical products and ban exports to the United States. Then the United States will be caught in the ocean of new crown viruses.

According to the US CDC officials, most masks in the United States are made in China and imported from China. If China bans the export of masks to the United States, the United States will fall into the mask shortage, and the most basic measures to prevent new crown virus Can't do it.

Also according to the US CDC officials, most of the drugs in the United States are imported, and some drugs are imported from Europe. However, Europe also places the production base of these drugs in China, so more than 90% of the US imported drugs are Related to China. The implication is that at this time, as long as China announces that its drugs are as domestic as possible and banned exports, the United States will fall into the hell of the new crown pneumonia epidemic.

However, there is a great love in the world. The Chinese people and the Chinese government have never done so. They have not insulted the United States, nor have they banned the export of masks and medicines to the United States. As China ’s new crown pneumonia epidemic has been gradually controlled, China ’s mask and medicine export capabilities Will be greatly enhanced, and the United States is one of the demand side. US government officials, such as Secretary of Commerce Rose, US Secretary of State Pompeo, and US White House Economic

Adviser Navarro, have publicly gloated over China's new crown pneumonia epidemic, saying that the outbreak of the new crown pneumonia epidemic in China is good for the United States and will help companies return to the United States. It also called on companies around the world to consider the risks of China's supply chain. Even the infamous "Wall Street Journal" published an infamous article "China is a real sick man in Asia", and the "New York Times" in the United States also published a document condemning the closure of Wuhan in China as a violation of human rights. The American culture of falling rocks is really shameless.

Today, Fate is taking turns, and the United States has become a victim of the new crown pneumonia epidemic. At this time, China has not fallen into rocks and has not condemned the United States. At this time, the United States should be more mistakes for the past. Apologize to China for your actions.

During this time, a voice deliberately speculated that China owes the world an apology, which is very ridiculous. In order to fight the new crown pneumonia epidemic, China has made huge sacrifices, paid huge economic costs, and cut off the new crown virus. The route of transmission. No country has made such a great sacrifice and effort in this new crown pneumonia epidemic.

Moreover, according to the research of Academician Zhong Nanshan, although the new crown pneumonia epidemic broke out in China, the source may not necessarily be in China. Many studies have also pointed out that the origin of the new crown virus may come from other countries. Many confirmed cases of new crown pneumonia in the United States, Italy, Iran and other countries without a history of Asian contact have demonstrated this, so China has no reason to apologize.

Now we should rightfully say that the United States owes China an apology, and the world owes China a gratitude. Without China ’s huge sacrifice and dedication, it would not be possible to win a precious time window for the world to fight against the new crown pneumonia epidemic. The rare new crown pneumonia epidemic has been stopped for now , it is really amazing to say the least

 

[Chish]

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Is vice a reliable media outlet? That’s sounds like complete BS

She does not have to do that to prove her royalty, she done that decades ago. She was doing that to find out whether her vaccine works. She is the inventor of this New vaccine. She and her team know what they are doing. She is a high ranking army doctor with outstanding achievement in dealing with past epidemics. Using themselves as sacrificing mouse to help the Chinese people by speeding up the process. If it works, great. If not, they willing to accept their fate. But their action is not view favourably or is despised by western countries due to their connection to the Chinese government and not following the standard procedure of proving the effect and safety of her vaccine.

 

[solarz]

Just logically thinking, the rapid spread of the disease in so many different countries makes it appear like this was likely spreading in the wild for quite some time. Of course I am not an expert in this field. Perhaps some members that are experts can comment on this.

Chinese scientists discovered that there are two strains of the COVID-19 virus: the S-strain, which is milder and spreads more slowly, and the L-strain, which spreads more aggressively and results in more severe illnesses. The L-strain evolved from the S-strain and is the main strain affecting Wuhan, which is why Case Fatality Rate is so high there.

I think it is quite possible that the S-strain has been circulating worldwide for quite some time now, and acute epidemics like the one we saw in Wuhan was due to a spontaneous mutation of the S-strain into something more aggressive. It is quite possible that the Iranian strain, which seems to have no traceable link to China, may be yet another aggressive strain evolved from the more benign strain.

 

[Chish]

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People who watch Fox News are either racist rednecks or trump supporters or both. They are playing to their audience

Trump have much more supporters than you may think, far and wide. Majority of them are silence and keeping a low profile.

 

[vesicles]

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She does not have to do that to prove her royalty, she done that decades ago. She was doing that to find out whether her vaccine works. She is the inventor of this New vaccine. She and her team know what they are doing. She is a high ranking army doctor with outstanding achievement in dealing with past epidemics. Using themselves as sacrificing mouse to help the Chinese people by speeding up the process. If it works, great. If not, they willing to accept their fate. But their action is not view favourably or is despised by western countries due to their connection to the Chinese government and not following the standard procedure of proving the effect and safety of her vaccine.

Well, what this Chinese doctor has done is not only dangerous, but also useless.

First of all, no scientist can be sure of what they are doing while they are working on a project. Even when later on they are proven correct, no one can be sure while in the middle of a project. This is especially true in biology/medicine since we still know so little of biology. I personally know 3 Nobel Laureates and many world-leading experts in various medical/biological fields. I don't think any of them can tell you that they have been absolutely sure what they are doing while working on a project. As a matter of fact, many of them will tell you that their findings came as an accident, or as a complete surprise, or something that they initially absolutely disagreed or even refused to study because how ridiculous it sounded.

Further, it has been so common in medical research that experimental findings in one system cannot be translated to another system. Close to 99% of test drugs that work in cultured cells do not work in animals. Almost 1/3 of test drugs that work in mice/monkeys do not work in human. Many of them may even be helpful in mice but toxic in human. No scientist can be sure whether their drugs would work in human, even they get perfect results in animal testings. Actually, based on the statistics of past drug discovery efforts, your drug would most likely fail to perform in human. So what this Chinese doctor has done is very dangerous.

A good vaccine requires that its toxicity is at least 1 in 100,000. Even if she is completely cured by the vaccine, a single data point means absolutely nothing to show the effectiveness and toxicity of the vaccine. Even if she is killed by the vaccine, that still does not mean the vaccine is bad. A single data point is meaningless. So what she has done is completely useless.

Her action also sets a bad precedence. "So if you want to show your confidence of your drug/vaccine, you have to eat it yourself!" This is not recommended. As a matter of fact, most countries' health care systems, including China's, strictly prohibit self-testing of their own test drugs by the researchers.

Just imagine a nightmare scenario. She took the vaccine and reacted badly to the vaccine. Since she is the lead researcher, she is the only one who understands this vaccine. Now with her badly hurt by the vaccine, no one else knows what to do... Not a good idea...